So much full face...

[ClownBaby]

Wow, I made all kinds of squishy-face when I was reading about Hellboy, good thing we use bio, huh? LOL

[McNair]

As someone who has their teeth shot out on two different occasions, I personally say "shazaam full face mask requirements for adults".
Its just like I say "shazaam safety kills". We participate in this knowing we'll be shot at some point and it will(should)hurt. TOo many little bitches have started participating(we used to be able to chase them out, but now the white knights have also invaded the sport and ruined even the baby punching) and making this a bleeding nanny state sport.

I know plenty of people who won't go to games solely based on a full face protection requirement and we know of and will continue to attend plenty of other games and fields that don't require this.

"well, I guess you won't play any games then". You're right, instead I'll keep playing better immersive games instead of nanny phony pony games catering to the children.

as Junto said, this full face shit ain't milsim and this game isn't paintball.

Go get your bright coloured jerseys and sponsors, nancys. Don't forget to count your kills .

Also, I've been shot from 20ft away in the face with a gun shooting 450FPS without it embedding in my skin so I am skeptical(not saying its bullshit, just saying I am skeptical). I was bleeding, yes, but no bbs needing to be removed.

[FishSlapRepublic]

I can find my was around most full face rules to technically comply yet still play how I want and have for over 10yrs. What has been annoying me more is all this semi-auto only when in CQB. So in the field people are spraying around but in CQB they have to start being precise in semi-auto which is pretty much opposite of how it works outside of airsoft.

I mean It's only helped me when I wipe out my TM breacher as it can shoot 6bbs at once but it still feels really unnatural to have everyone switch to semi when jumping into CQB.

[Cyclops]

McNair if your at SS6 look up hellboy. That Bb is still in his cheek. Also has a lot of pictures on his phone when it happened.
I do agree that if your say 17 and younger you may require a full face and adults have the option. Me I wear it due to losing a tooth. Bill was expensive (I did not file a claim) and kept playing 6 plus hours including breaks. Because of that I wear it and I try to talk to my team mates to wear them as well. Some wear a mouth guard or some sort of cloth.

[Pacman]

I've always played with a mouth guard and taken my share of face hits but prefer this to generating more heat/perspiration on my face. I've avoided places in the past that required full seal/face guards because of this. The irony is the one time I got a tooth shot out I was in an admin role not playing. This should be an 18 and under thing but unfortunately insurance companies drive a lot of policies now a days. At my age I'm more than likely to pull a muscle or break a hip..

[McNair]

McNair if your at SS6 look up hellboy. That Bb is still in his cheek. Also has a lot of pictures on his phone when it happened.

I'm not doubting that it happened, I'm just skeptical that the rifle was shooting only 400fps.

[ogrejager]

Go get your bright coloured jerseys and sponsors, nancys. Don't forget to count your kills .

I agree with all that's been said but this does need addressed. Paintballs are substantially harder hitting. Those colored jerseys and sponsors are silly, I agree, but don't call hardcore paintball players "nancy". I've had a LOT more bruises after a paintball tournament than any airsoft game I've gone to. Also more permanent scars.

[Payback]

I love the comments of "i won't play where they require it" and "it's not milsim" bahahaha, you all act like they are making you place a suppository in before you play.

It's not that big of a deal, except in Junto's case where he breaks out, but i'm sure there are solutions.

[McNair]

Go get your bright coloured jerseys and sponsors, nancys. Don't forget to count your kills .

I agree with all that's been said but this does need addressed. Paintballs are substantially harder hitting. Those colored jerseys and sponsors are silly, I agree, but don't call hardcore paintball players "nancy". I've had a LOT more bruises after a paintball tournament than any airsoft game I've gone to. Also more permanent scars.

I can see how the intent of that comment was taken as such, however, the "nancy" comment wasn't specifically in relation to paintbal(lers) but in relation to the constant addition of more and more "safety" rules/requirements to appease the parents of the new generation of kids who are generally a bunch of coddled pussies(and I understand this is insurance requirements, but the pressure on the insurance comes from these people). The jerseys and sponsors comment was just related to the full facemask shit and got grouped together.
Science tells me that paintball is much more painful, so I've yet to experience it first hand.

[McNair]

I love the comments of "i won't play where they require it" and "it's not milsim" bahahaha, you all act like they are making you place a suppository in before you play.

It's not that big of a deal, except in Junto's case where he breaks out, but i'm sure there are solutions.

Choosing not to play somewhere because the requirements to participate are something we believe detracts from enjoying the game is not some crazy idea.
The comment about not playing there is being made in case field owners are paying attention and then can realize they are losing customers and potential customers. If enough people have the same opinion, the field owners might make the effort in finding other insurance that possibly doesn't require this.

For those of us who participate in milsim events often, full face masks detracts from the immersion. I believe there was one milsim event group who doesn't even allow full face masks because of this. I see people use "balaclavas", shemags, etc if they feel they need it(and I understand for at least snipersden, this suffices).

Personally, I can't use anything over my nose/mouth or my eye pro will fog up(just like Pacman). I've tried. Requiring me to do so ruins my enjoyment of the game. What is the point of going if you can't enjoy it?

[Cyclops]

Insurance goes from beginning of the year to the end and must pay up front. Insurance is VERY expensive. Even if you just get it for one game. So this isn't something you can just drop and move to another company. Plus there is only so many insurances out there for this type of activity. I'm sure this will be a requirement for every insurance company out there. Just because of a number drop wont change anything regarding the face cover.

[ClownBaby]

Josh fans. They just work, and since I've started using them (after a decade of fogging in paintball) in airsoft, I've found other great uses for them, such as the real steel range, but my favorite is when it snows, now I can see no matter how bad it is.

And Junto, I started not shaving a long time ago, due to that I was always breaking out. When I play hard, then take my mask off, my beard and mustache are soaked, but I don't think it's sweat, as much as It's just a lot of condensation. Anyway I don't break out anymore, maybe you just need operator beard?

And how is armoring your face not militaristic, you guys wear PC's, helmets, gloves? Has anyone here seen where DARPA is heading? Sexy cyber-Ninja is were it's at!

Also, that one style mask, like the wire, but it sets out away from yee face, that would work?

[Junto]

Fans don't work for me, Mikey. Solid lenses are garbage to me. Unworkable, unwearable, utter and complete garbage. And I literally don't grow significant facial hair, so shazaam beards. Armoring my face is not directly simulative of anything happening in modern field operations.

I love that everyone is posting like I don't understand why full face is becoming more prevalent. I don't care who got BBs stuck in whatever part of their body. I don't care what works for anyone else or their teammates. All I care about is having the choice. This is bleeding universal health care all over again. Where is my OPT OUT option? I stated right off the bat that it wasn't about finding a solution; this is about not being bleeding nannied and not letting a bunch of hypothetical horseshit take the fun out of the game.

Except Josh. Josh bleeding gets it.

[Junto]

I'd like to note that, of course, this doesn't apply to indoor fields. Of course you wear full face if the intended engagement distance is 0-50 feet.

Then again, a shemagh or balaclava sufficed as full face for arenas back in the day. Not sure if that cuts it now.

Also:
If I've been assuming liability for the well-being of my face for 9-10 years at every event I've been to, how isn't that precedent for continuing to do so?

[ClownBaby]

I get it, it SHOULD be your choice.

Do we know if there's an insurance company that will allow adults to do what they want?