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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:37 pm

The way I saw Escort was one team (blue) had the president against the other team (red) who had to either kill the president (below the neck obviously) or kill off all blue. if the blue team got the pres all the way to the red spawn, blue win. if red team killed president/all blue team, red win. Then positions switch (either the team switches or the president switches...either way, new group for the president).
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:40 pm

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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby G00SE770 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:11 pm

razazarak wrote:The way I saw Escort was one team (blue) had the president against the other team (red) who had to either kill the president (below the neck obviously) or kill off all blue. if the blue team got the pres all the way to the red spawn, blue win. if red team killed president/all blue team, red win. Then positions switch (either the team switches or the president switches...either way, new group for the president).


Sounds good ---we used to call this a 'hunted' round. One team would protect the president and try to route him safely through the course to the safe destination. If he gets hit, the round starts over (win for red). If he makes it safely, the round is over (win for blue). Both teams had unlimited respawn --but a time delay for each (or a long hike back if the field/arena is large). ---this might require the president to hide-out if needed (and be hunted) --and wait for his team to reach him to continue the escort).

-- It all depends on how large the arena is on how well it can be played out.

Blue is always blue (with Pres) and Red is always red, but players can switch teams sides as necessary to keep teams balanced. For example, if the president is getting killed left and right ---one attacker could switch over to defender at the next round start. If the president is reaching the destination too easily ---one defender could switch over to attacker at the next round start..

Sniper role is real fun in this game..
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:44 pm

For the start of ECA, it won't be near big enough for sniping.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby TriggerTickler » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:35 am

Hey there man, sounds like a great idea and its cool to see some one pumped to make a AS field in the eugene/ springfield area. I was actually just talking to a few friends that are getting into AS with me, about a field around here. I was half thinking of doing it myself, so its nice to know that there is some one in the area that I can work with perhaps to produce a high quality airsoft field that is the envy of 90% of other fields.

I will not promise anything right now but I Would perhaps donate a sizable chunk of money into this, perhaps I could be a partner/co owner? Lets bounce some ideas back and forth.

But onto field setup,fps, full auto. If done in the right way pallets, barrels, and other "scraps" could be used to construct a decent field and at a niiiiice price. Check this vid at the end out to see what I think is a decent indoor setup AND cool gameplay mode idea. Really what it comes down to is planning and effort. You dont want to spend like 5K on new fresh lumber. Get some Ideas on

Like the battle sounds and ambiance.

FPS: really people need to start layering up on cloths or something because 400FPS is supper common now days, ESPECIALLY with higher end AEGs (my ARES H&K 36kv come out of the box at 430...)You have flying projectiles coming at you, they might hurt if they hit. get a cheap tac vest, FULL FACE MASK , wear shorts under your pants and a light sweatshirt or something. Require some type of fully enclosed eye proctecion ie: goggles, full facemask. None of the "gunner glasses" they are all cheap peices of shit that break and get bbs stuck in someones eye. The fully enclosed Eye protection is all I would require if insurance allowed. People need to remember these are NOT nerf guns, or toys . You can put a eye out damnit lol.

Full auto, it IS a tactical decision. If they want to waste that ammo while I wait behind cover thats chill. Sure its made lamer with high cap mags, but are you gonna also not allow AS grenades or blindfire because thats "cheap"? If its a HUGE deal force players that want to play full auto, use low or mid cap mags. If you are trying to simulate a " realistic combat enviroment" you need to enable SOME form of auto fire.


They also have other "zombie" scenarios on their youtube, alot of them are really creative and fun looking!


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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:58 pm

Hey there trigger thanks for the reply!

I am still working on getting ready to start with Crowdfunding. Heres what ill be doing to get funds for this business venture: 1) crowdfunding with "fundanything.org". This allows me to fundraise from anyone who thinks its a good idea, and more than likely they would be the same people who want to use the facility. I have a few places that ive talked to who have said they would let me post a few flyers in their facilities to get the word out (one of which is in VRC). 2) Talk with the local PD's and the National Guard Armory for either funding or support letters saying they would come to train. Alot of big airsoft companies ive found (as well as paintball) have bigger companies come in and rent out the facility for a day or so and the PD's/Military/etc. train. 3) Grants. I don't see this one happening with the government shut down, but the SBA offer grants to new small businesses seeing that there has been alot of research put forth and alot of work already done. 4 (if possible)) Investors/Venture Capitalists. The only things I can find as far as this goes probably wont help me out but I will give it a try. 5 (last)) Loans. Hopefully by the time this comes up I will have some money (or letters of future use from the PD's/Armory) that I can use to get a small business loan. Depending on how much is raised to begin will define how big of an arena is rented

As far as full auto, in the arena that sounds like everyone is looking for, in the beginning wont happen that often (if at all). There may be game types where its ok to utilize full auto/grenades/etc. But insurance which would cover the business would probably be the defining point of FPS and what other items are required. Full face masks will be the only thing rented out...and at minimum I would like to see atleast front-facial masks for those who have their own gear.

As far as layout, I saw the video with the pallet walls. I think its tacky, but im not looking to do a fully insulated facility either, studs and walls are really all I need for the arena and the pallets could take the place of studs if properly secured. So that is a good idea. I am going to be looking at wholesale lumber to hopefully bring cost down.

I appreciate all the ideas and I would love to continue bringing out more ideas! As far as being partner/co-owner, I dont know. We'll have to talk about that.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:17 am

Hey all!!! Still working hard on this! I have a question for you guys:

1) Would you be detoured to come to ECA if you were required to use ECA's BB's? (Obviously rental guns will have to use the BB's)

2) Im thinking of allowing all sizes of BB's (.2g and up) as long as the FPS lies inside the safe range. Is this something you guys would like to see or would you rather have ONE size of BB to use? I figure this way if you bring your own BB's, you can bring whatever size you want.

3) What are the best sizes for BB's in your opinions? I know .12g is truly retarded and would cause more harm than good.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby mrgoldfishybo » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:55 am

razazarak wrote:Hey all!!! Still working hard on this! I have a question for you guys:

1) Would you be detoured to come to ECA if you were required to use ECA's BB's? (Obviously rental guns will have to use the BB's)

2) Im thinking of allowing all sizes of BB's (.2g and up) as long as the FPS lies inside the safe range. Is this something you guys would like to see or would you rather have ONE size of BB to use? I figure this way if you bring your own BB's, you can bring whatever size you want.

3) What are the best sizes for BB's in your opinions? I know .12g is truly retarded and would cause more harm than good.
Well, for indoors i would stick with the .2 to the .28 range of bbs other than that isn't really needed. For using your places own bb's it sounds great! But with the factor of the bb's being .3g and above it would kinda scare off some younger airsofters and lose a big chunk of profit from kids airsofting.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:59 pm

mrgoldfishybo wrote:
razazarak wrote:Hey all!!! Still working hard on this! I have a question for you guys:

1) Would you be detoured to come to ECA if you were required to use ECA's BB's? (Obviously rental guns will have to use the BB's)

2) Im thinking of allowing all sizes of BB's (.2g and up) as long as the FPS lies inside the safe range. Is this something you guys would like to see or would you rather have ONE size of BB to use? I figure this way if you bring your own BB's, you can bring whatever size you want.

3) What are the best sizes for BB's in your opinions? I know .12g is truly retarded and would cause more harm than good.
Well, for indoors i would stick with the .2 to the .28 range of bbs other than that isn't really needed. For using your places own bb's it sounds great! But with the factor of the bb's being .3g and above it would kinda scare off some younger airsofters and lose a big chunk of profit from kids airsofting.


I did say .2g and up...not .3g. .3g seems like it would be a bit much unless it was a REALLY big arena, which for starters it wont be THAT big. So im thinking maybe .23g would be maybe a good sized BB. And if im able to keep the price low for house BB's, I may just keep it where you use house BB's. I also will eventually be getting a CO2 fill station as well. Its on my list of things to make the arena awesome.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:06 pm

Oh also...i forgot to mention! I am speaking with a theater tech who sounds like he has a great way to make interlocking walls so that we can change the layout of the arena. I am very excited about this, because one thing that is unfortunate with alot of other fields and arenas is that it is fairly stationary whereas if we had a way to interchange the layout, it will be fresh often. It will also give me the chance to maybe incorporate your layout ideas as well. By that I mean I would have a contest for people to create layout designs that you would like to see based on a floorplan template I would create, and the one who is voted the highest would get a free day on the day their arena plan is set up. Just more ways I can make this arena less about what I want, and more about what YOU want!
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby Jester316 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:33 pm

razazarak wrote:
mrgoldfishybo wrote:
razazarak wrote:Hey all!!! Still working hard on this! I have a question for you guys:

1) Would you be detoured to come to ECA if you were required to use ECA's BB's? (Obviously rental guns will have to use the BB's)

2) Im thinking of allowing all sizes of BB's (.2g and up) as long as the FPS lies inside the safe range. Is this something you guys would like to see or would you rather have ONE size of BB to use? I figure this way if you bring your own BB's, you can bring whatever size you want.

3) What are the best sizes for BB's in your opinions? I know .12g is truly retarded and would cause more harm than good.
Well, for indoors i would stick with the .2 to the .28 range of bbs other than that isn't really needed. For using your places own bb's it sounds great! But with the factor of the bb's being .3g and above it would kinda scare off some younger airsofters and lose a big chunk of profit from kids airsofting.


I did say .2g and up...not .3g. .3g seems like it would be a bit much unless it was a REALLY big arena, which for starters it wont be THAT big. So im thinking maybe .23g would be maybe a good sized BB. And if im able to keep the price low for house BB's, I may just keep it where you use house BB's. I also will eventually be getting a CO2 fill station as well. Its on my list of things to make the arena awesome.



You do understand that using a heavier bb doesn't change the impact energy of a round... right? Just because 400fps with a .2 is less than 350 with a .3 doesn't mean that the impact energy has changed... So restricting what weight bb's use is just hurting you by disqualifying players who use heavier bb's (KWA LM4s for example like heavier bb's for the hop up to work).

You just have to chrono with a known weight like every other game. 400fps with a .2 is the gold standard for outdoors, as is 330fps with .20g bb's for airsoft pacific indoor events.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:06 pm

I knew that it doesn't change. I was just asking how people felt about BB's. I think it would be ok for others to bring their own BB's as, as you said, it passes the required FPS with a standard.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby Jester316 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:42 pm

razazarak wrote:I knew that it doesn't change. I was just asking how people felt about BB's. I think it would be ok for others to bring their own BB's as, as you said, it passes the required FPS with a standard.


Exactly. Chrono with house bb's, use what ever you want. This also releases you guys from liability if there is an ammo related malfunction in a persons personal gun.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby razazarak » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:23 pm

So...tell me if this sounds odd to anyone else. I talk with G&G and KWA to see what I would have to do in order to see wholesale prices and have a wholesale account. I get told from BOTH companies that I would need to first HAVE a place of business ("Brick and mortar store") to send them a picture of BEFORE I am eligible to see their wholesale catalog. So I need to HAVE a store (i.e. $10k down at least) before i can look at buying weapons and gear. It made NO SENSE!!! But they also said they could help me out when I get closer to the leasing of a property w/ all licenses required, etc. But still, whos bright idea was it for those looking to open a shop to first have the shop before filling it with product??

Anyway just wanted to update that I am trying to get ahold of manufacturers.
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Re: New Indoor Arena Eugene OR

Postby Jester316 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:33 pm

razazarak wrote:So...tell me if this sounds odd to anyone else. I talk with G&G and KWA to see what I would have to do in order to see wholesale prices and have a wholesale account. I get told from BOTH companies that I would need to first HAVE a place of business ("Brick and mortar store") to send them a picture of BEFORE I am eligible to see their wholesale catalog. So I need to HAVE a store (i.e. $10k down at least) before i can look at buying weapons and gear. It made NO SENSE!!! But they also said they could help me out when I get closer to the leasing of a property w/ all licenses required, etc. But still, whos bright idea was it for those looking to open a shop to first have the shop before filling it with product??

Anyway just wanted to update that I am trying to get ahold of manufacturers.


Why do you feel that is wrong?

With the prevalence of the internet, some companies want to support actual stores instead of basement companies... Why are you looking for wholesale prices for rental guns? I would talk to established retailers and see if they wanted to give discounts to help get airsoft in the hands of more people, and to establish a reputable business that they can support.
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