MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

[Paladin101]

The CQC school and teams used to use MP5s before they switched the M4 CQBRs. Perhaps they have upgraded to MP9s?

[league 4]

I wonder why they use them for training if they don't actually use them for real OP's... Doesn't seem like the best idea but what do I know.

[shakespeare]

IT could be just some sort of weapons familiarization course.

[Jewish Ninja]

MEU EOD.

[Patrick750]

Marine's with a FAMAS?? Weapon familiarization maybe?

[Jewish Ninja]

Nope, they got bored of the IAR already and switch to frogtech!



Not really. It was a 3 day course they did with French forces.

[Snowman]

EPCw/oC?

[Amos]

Yup.

[Patrick750]

Fun fact: shooters familiar with m4's tend to get equal groupings but higher on the target then they intended.

[Snake_Eyes]

Fun fact: shooters familiar with m4's tend to get equal groupings but higher on the target then they intended.

You know this from experience eh?

[Patrick750]

Fun fact: shooters familiar with m4's tend to get equal groupings but higher on the target then they intended.

You know this from experience eh?

A show called "weaponology" on the military channel. A navy seal and like 5 marines all got similar results

[Catch22]

How is this related to MarSoc loadouts? Start a thread in offtopic to argue about this.

[Catch22]

[Jerm_G]

Fun fact: shooters familiar with m4's tend to get equal groupings but higher on the target then they intended.

You know this from experience eh?

A show called "weaponology" on the military channel. A navy seal and like 5 marines all got similar results

Using the results of a TV show for facts is generally not a good idea. But good job on citing your source for your information.

Now for the real answer...

Yes trained shooters conducting CQB engagements with the M-4 family of weapons will tend to shoot high on their targets. This is because the sights sit aprox 2.5 inches above the center line of bore, causing the round to impact 2.5 inches below point of aim. All though trained to compensate for this, the training tends to go out the window when under stress due to loss of fine motor control. The shooter does one of 2 things. He compensates too high and throws the shot, or suffers from over sway when coming up from the ready, and throws his shot. Those not trained in CQB shooting tend to do the opposite and shoot low because they do not compensate for the sight's height over bore.

Realistically though unless making a precision shot for the brain pan, center mass is more than good enough. The area targeted is about 8 inches wide and 8 inches tall for the average male when centered on the nipple line of the chest. A couple of inches off dead center is not much of a big deal. So the issue is moot.

[USNCADET1996]

MARSOC+Crye cut M81+Crye JPC= freaking fantastic! (: