MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

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Postby SleepyDave » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:11 pm

Jerm_G wrote:
Using the results of a TV show for facts is generally not a good idea. But good job on citing your source for your information.

Now for the real answer...

Yes trained shooters conducting CQB engagements with the M-4 family of weapons will tend to shoot high on their targets. This is because the sights sit aprox 2.5 inches above the center line of bore, causing the round to impact 2.5 inches below point of aim. All though trained to compensate for this, the training tends to go out the window when under stress due to loss of fine motor control. The shooter does one of 2 things. He compensates too high and throws the shot, or suffers from over sway when coming up from the ready, and throws his shot. Those not trained in CQB shooting tend to do the opposite and shoot low because they do not compensate for the sight's height over bore.

Realistically though unless making a precision shot for the brain pan, center mass is more than good enough. The area targeted is about 8 inches wide and 8 inches tall for the average male when centered on the nipple line of the chest. A couple of inches off dead center is not much of a big deal. So the issue is moot.


Good example of this: About a year ago I was doing a range day thanks to Bend PD for their Citizens Academy, and I got to run a M4 and a Sig P226, one magazine each, standing at 7 yards. On the Sig, all of my rounds were center mass, in a group about 4 inches across. For the M4, I aimed for the same general area as the Sig. Again, all of my rounds were in a 4 inch group, but all of them were a few inches below the center of the Sig group. This was consistent, indeed so consistent that the officer handling me knew exactly what I had done without asking, and coached me on how to fix that "if it comes up in the future". I've got the target around here somewhere, its pretty clear.

I think Bushnell came up with a clever little holosight that had a reticle for this particular problem, but its a pretty gucci solution to a simple problem, and still requires something more than muscle memory to use it correctly.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Raging Hormann » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:43 pm

Also, zeroing your weapon for 300 Meters means that your bullet has an upward then downward trajectory on its way to target. Close quarters combat would be at such a range that the bullet would be traveling upward at the point of impact, providing the weapon was sighted for 300 meters.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby spazgar » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:40 am

So my old roommate from when I was in is over at MARSOC now and he just told me that they train with whatever weapons they feel like. They're budget is so big now that it's retarded. He's over at Los Flores in Camp Pen. He sent some pics of them last weeks and as soon as he says they're clear to be posted I'll get them on the forum. It's funny cause I see all these pics that are posted and the ones I have of friends are wearing different gear but that might be cause they're all rebellious and don't care what anyone say what gear they have to wear. I'm also surprised to see how many people where marines that are on the forum and up here in OR. Hopefully I'll have the pics up soon
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Snowman » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:04 pm

Hmmm, I'm curious to see that. They've been seen in pics with M4s, MK17s, and M110s, so what else would they be using?
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby spazgar » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:54 pm

Well snowman, I don't know if when they deploy if they even use the weapons. I've just been to ranges and watched some of they're ranges with shit thats crazy. By the way I wasn't involved in the range just watchin.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Jerm_G » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:33 pm

There equipment changes with what is new, top of the line and somewhat shooter's preference but for the most part not too far off the standard issue for many units. The real difference between special operations guys and line guys is not the specialized training. It's the fact that the average grunt only has a general concept of the basic skill sets needed to wage war. The MARSOC guys are true Jedi masters of those basic skill sets. The tools help but are not what makes them special.

I did a lot of cross training with them in 07 prior to deployment and gained an endless amount of respect for those guys. For the few months my platoon trained on and off with them, we learned alot of valuable info. I wish we could have spent alot more time working with them. Back then it was M-4s and what ever else they needed. For the most part, what I saw was alot of the same gear that many of our guys had, just one or two generations newer. Having the budget to be able to have that gear for every member of their team was what shocked us. We couldnt imagine what it would be like for everyone to have optics and brand new M-4s. Better gear, NODs and laser aiming devices for everyone just made us more jellous.

Matter of fact my picture up in the corner is from a range with MARSOC. I was shooting one of their M-40A3s with a Unertial scope. It was one of the first rifles that came off the line. Amazing things happen when you have one of the world's best trained marksmen giving you some one on one advanced training and calling windage and elivation for you. Hands down one of the best memories I have from those days.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Jewish Ninja » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:22 pm

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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby VossMan » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:49 am

Not sure why they are wearing fanny packs??
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Nark » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:43 am

Forget all the gibberish cluttering the image. Just trying to tell if these guys are USMC Force Recon or if this is a big fail.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Nark » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:12 am

Yah that's what my buddy (ex-marine) and I felt too.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Jewish Ninja » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:10 am

Hella airsofters. Real Marines don't own clean kit. Trufaxs

That and everyone in that picture looks like they're 18.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Catch22 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:50 pm

Nark wrote:Forget all the gibberish cluttering the image. Just trying to tell if these guys are USMC Force Recon or if this is a big fail.
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Since it appears they are using simunition magazines in their rifles... I would say real.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Catch22 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:43 pm

Yeah, it's real.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Voodoo Man » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:32 pm

Lots of guys heading to MARSOC or Recon are in the early to mid twenties.
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Re: MARSOC, MFR, STA, MEU Loadouts

Postby Nark » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:15 pm

I've seen a couple pics of SEALs who look way to young.
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