Loadout Assistance

[marshall.c3media]

Hello! I'm hoping I am in the correct section of the forums for this because I have varying questions (all of which regard my ladout), and if not I apologize.
Anyway, My understanding of a DMR role is having the ability to be effective almost anywhere on the field. My ideal position is middle to front (which is the role I played in paintball), but I could hang in the back if I was needed there. I come from paintball (speed ball to be specific) and obviously engagements are over shorter distances in that type of play. My equipment that I am looking into getting will be the Krytac SPR and a WE M9 CQB master. As far as optics I was looking into a red dot with a flip to side magnifier. Also throwing in about 4-6 midcaps and 2 hicaps for when things get hairy. Should I look into a tighter bore barrel or anything like that? Help would be much appreciated! Thank you.
Also concerning vests and pouches I am open to suggestions!

[Cyclops]

Go to a game to see what others are wearing as for vest and stuff. If you were into speed ball in paintball then stick to a AEG. Some AEGs are even out ranging some of the DMR I have seen. Any ways before going into any other position have your first set up as a front line guy (Regular M4 or something) and then branch out to other areas. Get a feel of the game first (A few games) then decide if you want a DMR. Also you will see a lot of the guys using hi caps rather then mid caps. Some fire fights get pretty crazy. You want to change mags every minute or so?

[marshall.c3media]

[ClownBaby]

The one-eyed monster is right, don't get locked into a "role" just yet, go play first.
Thank you for coming to airsoft from paintball, and not dragging your hose with you.
You probably don't need a tightbore in it, those are scary enough.

But a mix of mags is a good thing, and if you're gonna do mil-sim, you'll need em.
And changing mags all tacticool is super sexy! (only when you do it right, lol)

Welcome

[marshall.c3media]

Ah! I appreciate the help! Thanks for coming from paintball? I don't get it I guess, haha. Also while I'm at it. Is $100 going to get me a decent pistol? I'm looking at a WE M9. Evike carries them and to the best of my knowledge if it's an airsoft site and 95% of the inventory is at "competitive" level then it should be at least usable. (No I'm not blind, I am aware that some big retailers also stock M16 springers and the like)

[ClownBaby]

One of us..One of us...
Paintball sucks, airsoft sucks a lot less.
Always glad to have another convert.

That pistol is fine.

[ogrejager]

I'll be the voice of dissension here. Save your money on the pistol for now. Sure sidearms are cool. Some guys even use them occasionally. Well, then there's Rentax. Get your primary gear squared away and then add a sidearm when you can. I've quit bothering to carry mine, actually.

DMR role. I think you're misinterpreting them. DMR's trade full auto for an extra few feet of range. If you're used to front-line speedball play, get yourself a regular AEG and enjoy the full auto hosefest. If you find yourself plinking a lot and wishing your AEG had that extra range, then it's time for a DMR.

In other words, what Cyclops said--play the friggin' game a few times, see what feels right. I recently switched my primary to a SAW and wish I would have done it years ago. Freakin' fun as hell. I knew to switch, though, because I'd played for years....

So now you've had three monsters give you pretty much the same advice--an ogre, a cyclops, and a clown.

[Steve]

If you are sticking to mainly outdoor play, the $100 you were going to spend on the pistol might be better spent on your optic and / or a bipod. Pistols in the great outdoors don't get used much, and even in indoor games get used mainly to screw around with when you are bored with running your primary. Well, and to fight to someplace where you can unf**k your primary when it quits.

Fair warning: It has been a few years since I have played outdoors, and even longer since I've done DMR work (long enough that we were Squad Designated Marksmen rather than DMs, and my "DMR" was an accuratized M-4 with an ACOG, bipod and suppressor with heavier ammo). So, the community understanding of what a DM does today may have shifted from what I believe the role of the DM to be. In the hoary ancient days, the job of the SDM was to play guardian angel rather than door-kicker. We moved out with the rest of the squad until one of two things happened: 1) If we took fire, we moved to a stable shooting position and engaged the enemy with accurate fire at range while the rest of the element closed with and destroyed the enemy or 2) when we reached our objective, the SDM sought elevation and clear field of fire to provide intel on the target and engage threats while the rest of the element moved in and secured the objective.

Looking at the role as posited above, I'd say that the key priorities would be:
0) Decent eye protection. And whatever face protection you want / need / like.
1) Get an accurate primary.
2) Pick up a decent pair of boots. Although, arguably, this could be priority one if you can borrow an AEG from somebody.
3) Get a decent VARIABLE magnification optic. Failing that, get a 4x or lower fixed optic. Variable is very good, since you can see trouble coming and communicate it to your team before you are in the engagement envelope, but can also turn it down to a useful magnification for engaging threats. I ran a $50 Tasco 3-9x scope for a couple of years and it worked well enough that I rarely swapped it out for the ACOG.
4) Gloves, camo uniform(s) of choice.
5) Spare mags and batteries as needed.
6) Load carriage equipment (plate carrier / chest rig / battle belt).
7) Hydration pack / camelback / Nalgene bottles / canteens.
Second primary for when the first one quits. Bonus points if it uses same mags / batteries and other primary.
9) Comms gear.
10) Grenade launcher / grenades / mines / RPG.
11) New Car.
12) Girlfriend / prostitute / Realdoll.
13) Steak dinner for everyone you know.
14) A secondary (pistol) that ISN'T an M9 derivative or made by WE.
15) Herpes.
16) An M9.
17) Anything made by WE.

Specific to that pistol (and leaving aside that I, personally, loathe both WE and the M9 platform), the rail on it is outside the dimensions of the actual Beretta 92FS / M9. So, it may not fit into some of the more high-speed hard-shell holsters (like the Blackhawk Serpa series), and some soft-sided holsters tend to drop the mags out of M9s. If you care about being able to carry in a hard-shelled holster, consider anything Glock, HK USP / USP compact, HK45, or SIG P220, P226.

[Cyclops]

[Shortbu]

[Shortbu]

I agree with the previous posts regarding pistols. They rarely get used for outdoor play. A few will sling their primary and use the pistol when entering a building, but for the most part, they're just added weight and expense. Money better spent on a descent optic.
If you're dead set on the pistol, the KWA pistols are very solid performers. Good support from the company, and easy to get rellacement parts, or upgrades for. The Elite Force Co2 1911's are also solid and relatively inexpensive ($120ish).

[Steve]

For the purposes of Airsoft, just about anything you do with a pistol, you can do better with a properly employed carbine. The exceptions are:
Working with a riot shield
Searching prisoners
Firing from within vehicles
When employing mechanical breaching devices
When transporting a casualty on a litter

Not applicable to Airsoft:
Shooting through walls
Blind-firing around corners
Working a rope assault
CQC (a specialized subset of CQB in which you use whatever comes to hand to beat the s**t out of the other guy as efficiently as possible). This point is negotiable, in that a muzzle check to the xyphoid process or sternal notch rapidly encourages compliance better in my opinion than pistol-whipping someone in the face. And bayonets, because a knife on a stick beats a knife in the hand. But, for the sake of argument, I accept that a pistol may be seen as a better all-around a**-whupping tool than a rifle.

[T-Time]

I agree with everyone else. But I would recommend a Co2 pistol over Green Gas.

[Rentax]

[marshall.c3media]