Myth becomes reality

[Tankwitch]

The Real sword myth gun has become a reality. A Korean company has made the ultimate M4 AEG. I can't wait to see a review.

Edit: Fixed link

[Jewish Ninja]

I thought the Real Sword was going to function with a solenoid? Which would be interesting to say the least.

This DAS looks nifty. I'm not too keen on a gear driving a large bolt, but I'm curious to see how it plays out.

[Tankwitch]

The BO M4 that's coming uses a solenoid and a linear motor. They claim it will last at least a million rounds.

[Steve]

I'm a little skeptical. The article says that the mass produced model's gearbox uses "moulded parts". That screams "plastic" to me. Molded thermoplastic is almost guaranteed to end up being a terrible choice for a mechbox. Also, if you look closely at the mechbox, you see square corners all over it. Square corners concentrate stress. My prediction is that users will see cascading failures. The metal screws will start to back out slightly from the mechbox, or vibration will enlarge the holes they ride in, because plastic. That'll generate torsional imbalances in the mechbox. Which will lead to shims / bearings start to drag. Which will generate friction, which turns into heat. Which softens the plastic, allowing more movement, and screwing up the engagement of the gears. So, my prediction is that if the gearbox doesn't just crack, because plastic, either the gears will shred or the gearbox will melt.

Also, It uses proprietary magazines. Which is craptastic.

Not sure where the battery lives. None of the pictures show wiring. I'm guessing it's under the handguard, which means that if you upgrade to a RIS/RAS, you're running batteries out of a PEQ box.

Not to be a tool: Architects design buildings. Engineers have to sign off on the plans before they can be built. There's a different skillset, and you learn to look out for different things.

[ClownBaby]

Steve for the Boom.

[Steve]

Just checked their website. The "limited edition" with a CNC'd gearbox is for sale.

Price: $2,500 USD.

This low, low price gets you a kit to assemble yourself and one magazine.

Just for the sake of comparison, and not making any value judgements, I can basically order 2 Systema PTW kits for the price of 1 of these kits.

Or, I can buy a Shapeoko 3 desktop CNC mill ($1300 or so with all the bells and whistles), some 7075-T3 aluminum bar stock, and whatever internals I want and build my own traditional AEG, just with a bulletproof milled aluminum body and gear box. And then, you know, use the Shapeoko to mill my own upper and lower receivers for ACTUAL AR-15's.

I understand that M-4 platform AEGs are maybe 10% more complicated than a standard AR-15. That being said, the cost of a motor and gear box isn't much higher than the price of a high-end target trigger for an AR. The barrel is a damn sight cheaper to make for an airsoft, what with not needing to cut rifling and worry about heat treatment and whatnot. Gunbroker.com lists LWRC rifles for about the same price as these guys are selling their AEGs.

[ClownBaby]

Hah! Double-Boom!

So, Your not getting one? lol

[Tankwitch]

You do realize that Airsoft is not really meant for the US market. It's meant for places that the ownership of firearms is highly limited like Japan or out right banned like Hong Kong. So the comparison to actual rifles is moot and very silly.

On topic you are right on some of the design problems with the rifle in the first post. But this is a common problem with any external first design. All airsoft falls into the problem that the internals are not built first. As standard Version 2 gearboxes have obvious failure areas. All basic airsoft and advanced airsoft rifles all suffer from a high failure rate. You just have to accept what your willing to have fail first.

So bitching about an untested and new system about how it's going to fail is absurd. I bet you with it's stock performance being pretty good and the EBB recoil that's solid, if you let it come into the market and see what it can do. I bet you this AEG will could be a GBBR killer.

[Steve]

[Steve]

[Tankwitch]

I have no clue why you are insisting that this has a plastic gearbox. It does not. For the holding of gears even basic cast pot metal has enough strength. Yes the price kills it for almost all players, but what they are selling is a preproduction model. Originally meant for stores not end users. Estimates have it that the production cost to end users is going to be a third of the preproduction model.

A simple Google search shows that the major complaint about this model (Sharp edges in the casting) also exists on the Systema gearbox. I know of no major problems that comes from this design flaw, the major stress points are in a separate part to the gearbox.

This is airsoft when has IP rights ever factored into the clone market?
Can someone explain to me why Americans think airsoft and firearms are the same thing and are comparable?

[Steve]

[Tankwitch]

Nice technobabble.

I must point out that the cost for expendables for airsoft so low that if you judge it based on trying to get the cost of expendables equal to the cost of the equipment you'd never buy an airsoft gun. So you should check out BO airsofts supergun that they are building I'll include a link. They claim it will last a million rounds.

Here is a link to arnies thread about this gun with more info:

Here is a youtube vid showing the battery compartment:

Here is a link to the BO super gun:


I'm tired of trying to reason with you. You've started using tired argument tricks, and that saps my will to continue.

[Steve]

[Jewish Ninja]