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AP CQC In the future

Postby Grounded » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:59 pm

With the re-introduction of AP. Does AP see itself hosting an CQC events in the future like in 2012? I for one can see high speed operators doing this poop, including myself. That would be epic and very cool! 8)

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Re: AP CQC In the future

Postby Junto » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:06 pm

The problem is always venue. That's one thing that hasn't changed. Additionally, we would need to work to rebuild the interest for CQB competition in the player base. The last indoor event was great (video below), but everyone is very rusty and there's not the dedication to training and competition for scenario play like this that there once was. There were only 3 teams interested in competing when 7 years ago there would have been 6-10.

Certainly not an insurmountable thing. There would just have to be some intense marketing, pre-event events to help promote, training days to teach people procedure for Law Enforcement and MOUT simulation, a stable venue with insurance and real-world (non-arena) obstacles that you'd find in actual buildings. It's just a tall logistical order.



Also, event forum rule #3 bars posting in the event forum asking about events. I think this goes in General Discussion if an admin wants to move it.
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Re: AP CQC In the future

Postby Grounded » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:30 pm

Thanks for the input.
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Re: AP CQC In the future

Postby Cyclops » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:41 pm

Ya I don't see CQC competitions going very well. Bringing it closer to being paintball which we all know don't mix well. Lots of players honor is already in question and now adding this would drive it even worst. What we do need is better games with good props and objectives. How ever that is only my thoughts.
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Re: AP CQC In the future

Postby Grounded » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:05 pm

I agree, i am not a fan of the paintball scene (as i have expressed). I am coming to the realization that its more team based activity and training rather than an event.
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Re: AP CQC In the future

Postby Junto » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:44 pm

We had tons of very well organized CQB events in the past that went very smoothly and bear no resemblance to paintball whatsoever because they are either law enforcement or MOUT operations. It just takes a while to get the players interested and teach them procedures like handling suspects, escorting hostages, and clearing rooms. Because it's not player vs. player and admins are always there watching and grading your performance there's rarely any question of honor. Check it out!









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AP CQC In the Future

Postby Airsoft Pacific » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:44 pm

Topic moved 8)
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Grounded » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:06 pm

Great clips man..
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Rentax » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:01 pm

CQC Competitions are far from paintball style scenarios, Cyclopse. They are competition style events. So no actual force on force, The Opfor is made up of an actor base and the missions are more tracked. The admins judge the teams on their abilities to complete the missions, the time they take doing so and they generally use Law Enforcement ROE's to set a bar, and many of the SOP's. A single team is tracked through their mission. Then the mission is reset and the next team gives it a go, each team is given a score and the final team with the highest score wins. It's a very different style of play, but one that was pretty popular back in the day. A lot of teams did intense training to get and keep their CQC skills above average.

Like Junto said the biggest factor in CQC style competitions is a location. But another big factor is an event host that has the ability to draw the size audience needed to complete such and undertaking. At CQC7 there were 3 separate missions, each mission ran at the same time, which means you need a facility large enough to house 3 missions and enough opfor to act out 3 missions at simultaneously. Then they tracked something like 7 separate teams through the missions. That's a lot of work and a lot of staff.

In response to you initial question however there are some other factors that must be addressed. Airsoft Pacific, the AP website itself never ran a CQC event. APST, Airsoft Pacific Strike Team (the team that AP was originally named after) ran most of the CQC events in the area. This means that although AP is making a come back, most of the old players from APST are no longer part of the active community and no longer host events. This means most of their knowledge on how to run this type of event is gone and the hosts we have left would be starting from square one to build that style of event back up to what it once was. Is it doable? YES! Are we working one it? YES! but it's still a while out.

Furthermore those teams that did all the training for the competitions they have no where to train any more, so we are left with teams that don't have training and a dwindling dedicated player base. it's gonna be a long road.

But on that note, I have been in discussion with OAA talking about the possibility of doing a Pistol training course, Rifle training course, and a few CQC style training events at their facility. If there was enough interest I haven't pulled the trigger yet, because i hadn't spoken with people to see if there was any interest. So is there?
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Kendodude » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Somebody mention Airsoft CQC involving players vs actors?! WHA?! WHERE?!

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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Grounded » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:14 pm

Rentax that is fantasti! I can only speak about my self when it came to this, when i first got started it was the APST that drew my attention. Being out of the service i wanted to keep up with and maintain muscle memory. This is a great opportunity if it should happen. I would love to be part of the planning process and partake in the events..that is if it happens.
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Honest_John » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:17 am

Surely theres still a few old grognards around who participated in most every CQB competition, and have run events...

Find a location. Post the event and a rule book with standards.
post photos/video of the event. understand that 2-3 groups are all you'll attract for the first 2-3 events. And it grows from there.
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Grounded » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:22 am

Well put!
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Norseman » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:18 pm

The Spokane Devil Dawgs competed in the first one Gunny hosted. Although I did do the awards for CQC 7. It was a lot of fun, but people have to be willing to put in the time as a team and drive a good distance (for us).

We practiced at the radar dome and in a warehouse in Colville.

But you can even practice in your own house. Or chalk it out in a garage.
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Re: AP CQC In the Future

Postby Cruz FoxHound » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:48 pm

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