Operation: End Of Lies

[Darius137]

I think it didn't look too bad. It was a good first start.

But for mil-sim games, leave it out. For games to change the dynamics of game play, sure, bring it.

[Matt]

It looks like OpFor are the insurgents and extreme Jihadists, everything else is USFor. And this was just posted this week so we don't have objectives yet.

And if Craig is smart (and I think he is), you won't. At least, not in the general area. So, Slaughterbal, pick a role that you think will be fun and do it. Want to spend the day working a protection detail? Go MSG. Want to spend the day doing special operations? Go special forces. Want to be a groundpounder? Go with the bulk of the US forces: infantry.

But can't we all just be Elite Special Forces Delta Sniper Green Beret Private Military Company Samuel L Jacksons?

[Fred]

It looks like OpFor are the insurgents and extreme Jihadists, everything else is USFor. And this was just posted this week so we don't have objectives yet.

And if Craig is smart (and I think he is), you won't. At least, not in the general area. So, Slaughterbal, pick a role that you think will be fun and do it. Want to spend the day working a protection detail? Go MSG. Want to spend the day doing special operations? Go special forces. Want to be a groundpounder? Go with the bulk of the US forces: infantry.

But can't we all just be Elite Special Forces Delta Sniper Green Beret Private Military Company Samuel L Jacksons?

you forgot leet sniperz

[Matt]

Voting no on that APC. When I saw it at Grid 18.2 it took me out of the moment completely.

Ollie.....not sure what you mean.....For what it is worth we intentionally kept it under wraps as long as possible for the suprise factor. If it caught you off guard, then we accomplished our objective.

no, you misunderstand

it looks terrible and destroyed any realism that the boy had the moment he saw it. its nice that you built a APC chassis around your 4x4, i just think its a good first attempt, not something that should make repeat visits. you do your thing, what ever rock your boat, but its just one more thing that makes me NOT want to attend

Did I miss something? Is Ollie running this game? Is this somehow his call? How bout you let C-TAC answer that one.

[C-TAC]

Voting no on that APC. When I saw it at Grid 18.2 it took me out of the moment completely.

Ollie.....not sure what you mean.....For what it is worth we intentionally kept it under wraps as long as possible for the suprise factor. If it caught you off guard, then we accomplished our objective.

no, you misunderstand

it looks terrible and destroyed any realism that the boy had the moment he saw it. its nice that you built a APC chassis around your 4x4, i just think its a good first attempt, not something that should make repeat visits. you do your thing, what ever rock your boat, but its just one more thing that makes me NOT want to attend

Did I miss something? Is Ollie running this game? Is this somehow his call? How bout you let C-TAC answer that one.

I got on here this afternoon and saw all this. I'm kind of amused at it all. I see both sides of the story and these are my personal thoughts on this.

1. The Mil-Sim side of it: Yes to us Westerners it does look a little out of place but so did the Nissan/Toyota pickups with big a$$ machine guns but now that's just the way the world is. Now to them that is what they have and if its going to work for them and they use it then its Mil-Sim now.

2. The none Mil-Sim side of it: Its a quad with plywood and what ever else. i have not personally seen this one in person but I can say this from experience from a game held earlier this year at SniperzDen that had 4 or 5 of them and an old International Scout with dual guns in a turret and a drop ramp in the back and could hold 8+ Or how about the C-130 at Gallant Saber III a Box truck... This is a sport that is not cheap to bring the big toys out to and I know that if it was everyone would be doing it. But as we live in the Great North West not a whole lot of people have access to a M113 or any other type of APC so I'm very inclined to and have offered on all my events to allow this type of vehicle/APC. If this kills your idea of Mil-Sim then buy you a ticket fly out to Op Lion Claws and the other one who I have been working with to bring the North West that level of event. By all means if I had 21 million dollars I would buy land and build a facility that is right up all of our alleys and sit back and watch the plastic death happen all day everyday. But since I do not C-TAC will continue to build relationships with anyone and everyone who is a Mil-Sim enthusiast and will build up the Coffee Angels and my Other Event Lines up to be able to get the bigger and better toys that we all want to play with, until that day or until someone else can do it better. Deal with it...

[Ollie Twist]

Note I said I vote.

I just am voicing my opinion, it's his game.

[C-TAC]

One another note in about 2 weeks we will be opening up the forums so the teams can get a slight feel for whats in store for them. This is going to be one long day for everyone... With a touch of spice err Black Powder.

First 50 people to pre-pay will receive an extra ticket for raffle.
First 10 people to arrive on site on Dec 5th will also receive an additional ticket.
Everyone who attends will receive 1 ticket with admission.
All * by a name on roster indicate 1 ticket.

[Zeta Crossfire]

maybe it was overlooked in all this but can you put me on the embassy team?

[C-TAC]

yes i will re do roster in the morning

[RinTinTin]

Helo gunner looks interesting how long is the ride? I also wonder how the downdraft would affect the distance and accuracy .20-.25 bb verses 10,000 to 15,000 psi?

[McNair]

I don't think the ATV tank thing takes away from the immersion anymore than the kids in white sneakers or someone wielding a sword. I think it's cool to allow ATVs, but that's just because I have them. However, I'd just use it as a fast scouting vehicle. Though, that looks like a lot of work was put into it. Personally, I think it's hard to be in immersion at splat action any, so I dunno what you kids are bitchin' about

[C-TAC]

Helo gunner looks interesting how long is the ride? I also wonder how the downdraft would affect the distance and accuracy .20-.25 bb verses 10,000 to 15,000 psi?

1. your 18 you will not be going up this op.
2. the ride is going to be approx 30-40 min give or take a few things
3. we have already tested this out and its fine for a support gunner. Its not for a sniper role or to use a m-4
4. I know what psi is but where are you getting your numbers as facts? I have not even posted what kind of chopper it is going to be in use this time.

Your about the 10th person to bring this up to me. I have already tested this out using a Echo1 M-249 Long and it shoots just like you would expect a heavy machine gun to while in flight and moving on all 3 axis Swiss Cheese Baby!!!

Plus you really want complain about being able to put plastic death on target from a chopper?

[TexMex]

Dunedain Rangers will be wearing Woodland. Please sign us up +5

[C-TAC]

TexMex Roger That.

[TexMex]

We are real excited for another one of your events Craig. Let us know if you need anything.