CONFLICT EUROPE IV: HOMELAND DEFENSE Jan 16th/17th

[Hicks]

What a great game it was. I enjoyed the non-goat related posts because it really was one of the best games I have been to in Oregon. At around noon the action peaked as the NATO base was surrounded and smoke grenades were going off. The action was perfect because everyone was in range of line of site. I think that field is going to make for some great games in the future.

I had an idea about communication that might help. Just a suggestion. Imagine a spawn point that was equipped with an a large map with lots of names for field positions. Next to the map would be a radio keyed in to the "update on field conditions". This would be a dedicated channel for listening only. No chatter, just let one person be the voice. There might be one for each team and one person broadcasting updates on the channel. And both sides should be "honor bound" to stick to their own channels. If the updates were current and up to date, it would be a continuous source of tactical updates for anyone on and off the field. Plus, it would be something anyone with a radio could tune in to for intel. I have been out on small "spec ops" type missions for 30-60 minutes but have no idea what is going on at base. If I were out and things get quiet I could tune in to the channel and get updated on current objectives and situations from central source. Just a thought....

[Vidar]

I was completely soaked after CE:4 and I still managed to leave my camp site spotless.

GOOD FOR YOU, SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP CONTRIBUTING TO THE GODDAMN MADNESS UP IN THIS SHIT.

[Bad Karma]

Yes, everybody. Let's freak out about it.

Is this really all necessary? I would think that there should be enough faith in many individuals in PLA that we'll try and make things right with Greg, the field owner, at the very least for the community as a whole, if not for PLA as well.

Aside from that, all of this rage is just essentially a bunch of people unrelated to the situation getting angry about something that doesn't really pertain to them.

See, the problem is that this pertains to everyone. SniperZDen already has a negative perception of airsofters given the whole CTAC thing, and then a select group of people go and trash the owner's field. He clearly already has a bad taste in his mouth for us. It would have been just as easy to say "I don't want any airsofters from any team here again." Luckily for the rest of us, the admins knew whose campsite it was and knew where to shift the blame. So, yeah, any time the actions of a few cast the rest of us in a very negative light, it does pertain to us, and think we have every right to be angry about it.

[Mrpuppy]

Hey Karma, what brand was that L96 you won?

[McNair]

We get that you're upset, Justin. That was made very apparent by the second post. As someone completely outside this, now you just look like a drama queen and your complaints are starting to mean less and less with each subsequent post.

[Matt]

I had an idea about communication that might help. Just a suggestion. Imagine a spawn point that was equipped with an a large map with lots of names for field positions. Next to the map would be a radio keyed in to the "update on field conditions". This would be a dedicated channel for listening only. No chatter, just let one person be the voice. There might be one for each team and one person broadcasting updates on the channel. And both sides should be "honor bound" to stick to their own channels. If the updates were current and up to date, it would be a continuous source of tactical updates for anyone on and off the field. Plus, it would be something anyone with a radio could tune in to for intel. I have been out on small "spec ops" type missions for 30-60 minutes but have no idea what is going on at base. If I were out and things get quiet I could tune in to the channel and get updated on current objectives and situations from central source. Just a thought....

This is a cool idea, I've always wanted to setup some type of a command center setup like this one you mention. Maybe even more advanced, with a generator for power, etc.

[Vidar]

The way I see things, all of this bitching and whining is just more hate and rage getting spread around. Totally unnecessary.

Yes, no shit it's unacceptable that a SEVERED GOAT'S HEAD was left at the campsite. I'm pretty sure that we were all clear on that when it first came to light. What's gonna happen is gonna happen, and at this point, it's really between PLA and Greg.

[Bad Karma]

I am a drama queen, Josh. You should know this by now.

I am also a drag queen.

It's some kind of Chinese clone. Which is fine with me, because it's sexy as all hell.

EDIT: It needs moar camouflage paint.

[Cap n pickles]

Shut the hell up. You are in absolutely no position to determine whether or not the ban was wrong. It's not your field. Being cold and wet is not an excuse to leave trash and rotting animal parts around your campsite. No one else seemed to have a problem policing their areas, and we were just as cold and wet as you were. Your TEAM was responsible for this, and as such your TEAM was banned. Don't like it? Then don't let it happen again, by showing some collective responsibility instead of trying to move the blame around.


Yes, but responsibly, i picked up all my stuff. Its a shame that some people cannot pick up thier stuff, but park rangers dont ban ALL the hikers that come on trails and leave stuff behind, because shit happens. I was looking forward to meeting you, i felt that i was respectful and nice to you. I got the same from you and despite what flamed up on AP in the past, i really put it aside. But once the wi fi kicks in on your computer your an elitist. Its not cool of you to do that, two facing is just wrong. Dont tell me to keep my opinions to myself, or to take the responsiblity of a few team members who forgot a few things. Its camping, where you come out all packed up and organised, and left after being rained on all night and playing a very wet and cold game of airsoft.
Its good that some people will take the time to come out and help with things that needed picked up. But i dont have the time, or money to come all the way back down and help out. I made sure my shit was packed up, infact, the only stuff left was the goat pieces and Redds shit. Leave the goat head in a pile of bush, or a patch of veins. But it didnt happen, Dan thought ollie wanted it, bryd had forgotten to pick it up after the game, and Dan forgot aswell.

So, This isnt your problem, and it wouldnt be mine, except now Im banned, because of said problems. You have no say in this, In fact. The only reason you say anything at all. Because your happy this happened to us as a team. Your being a tool, and i have lost any respect to you wether you care or not. I hope PLA members can feel the same about this. Our team is about having a good time, and not being an elitist douche bag. Which you are succesfully doing.

[Skywalker]

Bill, would you mind giving the site owner a heads up? The embassy (or the castle, I heard it both ways) is starting to fall apart. I nearly fell through the top level when a board dropped out from under me, and managed to only just avoid an almost biblical nut-shot in the process. As luck would have it, I was fine. However, the guy who hopped up to help me out also fell through the floor on the middle level. He ended up hurting his leg, and I don't want that to happen to anybody else.

Yeah that hurt... I got the "major nut shot" that you said you were so lucky to avoid. So much for karma, try to help someone and I end up hurting myself. But it's all good, the twins are okay.

No-Name, I'm the dude who hopped up there while you were dealing with the crushing pain (pun intended) of your fall. That looked and sounded extremely painful. As an aside: the humor factor was great. One person falls and curses, you head up to make sure he's all good...and you fall and actually get hurt. lawlzy

I saw these things happen, and I just wanted to call attention to it again. The Castle is an awesome fortification, but it definitely needs some serious attention if it's going to be safe for use. The boards were in worse shape since they'd been soggified by the rain, but still...that's some dangerous crap right there. I don't know if it's fair to expect the owner to fix this, but perhaps some people from the community could put some work into the Castle? I wish I could straight up volunteer for this but I live far enough away to make it not very feasible.

I was pretty happy that the admins were so ubiquitous at this game, by the way. When No-Name got hurt, the game only continued for a further 3 or so minutes before a cease-fire was called and (as far as I could tell from my position on the field) enforced. The injury was handled very professionally. I've got to give a huge shout-out to the admins for this event. I could almost always look up and see an admin, wherever I was. Well-staffed.

Hey Karma, what brand was that L96 you were given?

Fixed We all know the raffle was rigged.

and hey, guys...lets cool down about this goat thing a little bit. It happened, people are taking responsibility for it, and most agree with the punishment. Even if some disagree...there will always be that. Agree to disagree, people. Look at it this way, Karma, your opinion of the event is the one the owner took when he banned PLA. So...we don't have to trash each other here. We can chill a little bit.

[GoodWill]

^That is sick. You can't beat $free.99 either.^

Top 10 memory of yesterday. About to run through crossroads up to comms with Mini-Marine, Splinter and a few other guys. Mini says go and a dude pops up and takes us all out except Mini. It was bloody brilliant. Actually made the 50th walk up the hill enjoyable.

[Eudorus]

Yes, everybody. Let's freak out about it.

Is this really all necessary? I would think that there should be enough faith in many individuals in PLA that we'll try and make things right with Greg, the field owner, at the very least for the community as a whole, if not for PLA as well.

Aside from that, all of this rage is just essentially a bunch of people unrelated to the situation getting angry about something that doesn't really pertain to them.

See, the problem is that this pertains to everyone. SniperZDen already has a negative perception of airsofters given the whole CTAC thing, and then a select group of people go and trash the owner's field. He clearly already has a bad taste in his mouth for us. It would have been just as easy to say "I don't want any airsofters from any team here again." Luckily for the rest of us, the admins knew whose campsite it was and knew where to shift the blame. So, yeah, any time the actions of a few cast the rest of us in a very negative light, it does pertain to us, and think we have every right to be angry about it.

Karma you are being unhelpful. As you correctly note it is fortunate that the admins knew where within the group to shift blame. As you can imagine in this situation an investigation has been started to determine precisely what happened and how and who, within the PLA as a whole is to be held responsible.
Now if I wind up having to clean house it is going to look like I am doing your dirty work for you which rather undermines my freedom of action. Kindly, if you have an opinion please express it to me in private so that again in private I can make clear to you what action will be taken. I intend to see PLA come out of this a stronger, more respectful entity.
If on the other hand this is based on some long held dislike of PLA as a team now given free rein then please go on as you are.

[Jester316]

I just wanted to say that I had a great time running with tool, 2 APST members, Karma, and the one other guy who I don't know, for 2 hours maneuvering behind the Axis encampment. Crossing the river 3 times was quite interesting. Ambushing them at their CP was also quite entertaining. Thank you modified SF team for letting me join in in the shenanigans.

[Bad Karma]

SF Team shenanigans were amazing. That bolt shot on Mini was absolutely perfect.

[Vidar]

SF Team shenanigans were amazing. That bolt shot on Mini was absolutely perfect.

You didn't witness my knuckle-shot on Jesse.