kwa vs. ca

[CommieHunter]

By the way, do not judge KWA on the broken hop-up issue. It was not a factory problem, so I would not attribute it to KWA's record.

[league 4]

How did the hopup unit break? Just asking so I don't do it to mine if it's easily avoidable...

[Jester316]

By the way, do not judge KWA on the broken hop-up issue. It was not a factory problem, so I would not attribute it to KWA's record.

Adam, do you know why those 3 brand new guns all suffered from the same problem, with less the 200 rounds down the barrel? Unless the retailer actually put the gun together. From the way Trevor described it to me, 1 of the guns was pulled from the box with this problem. I'd attribute that to a factory problem; be it a new guy on the assembly floor who jammed the barrel to far in, to a bad batch of parts. In you years of airsoft retailer-ship, how many CA's have you pulled consecutively that all suffered from the exact same issue? How many G&P's? How many TM's?

I have found KWA's QC lacking in recent products. My KWA P226PTP has suffered some crippling injuries in the less then 1 year I've owned. A fractured loading nozzle, broken take down lever, and most recently, the feed lips on the mag blew off. I know KWA has a history of great products, but in the recent batches, I have seen some issues that I wouldn't expect to see with a high end retailer (which I consider KWA to be).

[CommieHunter]

I know the exact cause of the hop unit issue, and it was not an assembly problem. They weren't broken from the distributor. It was caused by use of certain aftermarket parts. Yes, it was when the gun was new out of the box, but the part that was installed was causing the issue.

[Jester316]

Alright, hop up issue taken off the table.

I still stand by my statement of they are to young to be considered the best manufacturer ever. Like I said, I think they still have a long ways to go overall in the entire line of replicas.

[Dukky]

i have a G&G combat machine and it works great, no jams or failures. Yours was probably just a lemon. But anyway back on topic, i think KWA are better internally but CA are better with externals. IMO of coarse.

I've never owned one, but I have personally worked on 6 G&G M4s, and I will say that with the exception of the stock barrel, which is a tighter bore than most, the internals are not on the same level as CA and KWA. And ROGUEDETAIL, have you personally worked on the internals of your G&G, or are you going off of hearsay?


Now, this has probably been said in this thread before, but I think a large part of the "KWAs RULE!!!" mentality is how they are marketed. KWA doesn't show off external or internal quality, what they STRESS is that it's "400 FPS and LIPO READY" out of the box. I whole-heartedly believe that this continues the belief that FPS= Performance. But the flip side of that is that I believe KWA markets to newer players (such as by showing off their FPS), and thus a lot of the internal problems could be attributed to user error. But still, I do not believe that a KWA's alleged ability to shoot 400 FPS and take a lipo out of the box means that it's internals are better than those of CA guns.

What Jester said about KWA being a newer company for AEGs I agree with. CA has really good externals, and has had the time to develop and improve their internals, whereas KWA is newer and is still running in to problems as they develop.

The only thing better would be a KWA you could swap out to switch between CQB velocities and MOUT games. Then one gun could do it all....for less.

Or you can get an ICS. I can switch out from 280 FPS to 380 FPS in about 15 seconds.

Yeah I've worked on it and it's nice, not KWA quality gearbox but still awesome. Oh and it's lipo ready out of the box just watch the video on Airsoft GI for the G4-A3 Tim freakin drained a fully charged lipo constantly shooting bb's. So if that isn't a sign of good quality internals then i don't know what is.

[league 4]

I know the exact cause of the hop unit issue, and it was not an assembly problem. They weren't broken from the distributor. It was caused by use of certain aftermarket parts. Yes, it was when the gun was new out of the box, but the part that was installed was causing the issue.

What parts caused it?

[league 4]

"LiPo-ready" marketing doesn't mean s**t.

True. I plugged an 11.1v 30c 2800mah lipo into a plastic gearbox Both Elephant G36k and shot in about 50 round bursts for several minutes.... And it still works. Surprisingly.

[Raging Hormann]

lol. FPS equals how hard you want to shoot someone at point blank. Compression and good groupings from a braced gun is performance. Get a TBB, a good Hopup rubber and nub, good nozzle, and a good piston head and cylinder head.

There ya go. You can also get better FPS with good compression and a TBB, so 400 FPS shouldn't be a huge worry.

[Raging Hormann]

Exaclty my point right there.

Nasty speaks the truth guys, it's about the accuracy, not the power.

[PLANofMAN]

On september 18, 2009, KWA issued a press release informing customers that all M4's shipped after that date would have the new version 2 gearbox, which is heavily reinforced, with 9mm bearings, etc.

Has anyone had one of the new gearboxes break on them yet? 'Cause I've been hearing alot of complaints about KWA's gearbox, but I'm guessing those were the version 1's.

http://www.kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1501
Here's a link to the info.

[Raging Hormann]

almost all the issues I've heard of were the V.1 gearboxes of theirs.

[league 4]

On september 18, 2009, KWA issued a press release informing customers that all M4's shipped after that date would have the new version 2 gearbox, which is heavily reinforced, with 9mm bearings, etc.

Has anyone had one of the new gearboxes break on them yet? 'Cause I've been hearing alot of complaints about KWA's gearbox, but I'm guessing those were the version 1's.

http://www.kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1501
Here's a link to the info.

On the KWA forum there's several topics about problems with the new KWA 2g series...