Airsoft - To fix, or not to fix

[league 4]

It's possible the bucking could be having issues too, or at least it sounds like it... Now would be a great time to learn gearbox work.

[Chairmanlao]

Thanks Reaper, yeah I had to edit the O.G post from all the confused members trying to help me out (my bad).

It doesn't seem like its the tappet plate... I fired a few shots and it moves fine, I know because I took my other AEG and did the same thing. So I do not think its the tappet plate....

[afatcow]

FIX IT UNTIL THE END OF TIME

If you have a mechanical aptitude and access to good tutorials, there is no reason you can't do it yourself. It's not necessarily always easy (tiny parts = pain in the a$$), but it is cool to do it yourself.

[Chairmanlao]

FIX IT UNTIL THE END OF TIME

If you have a mechanical aptitude and access to good tutorials, there is no reason you can't do it yourself. It's not necessarily always easy (tiny parts = pain in the a$$), but it is cool to do it yourself.

Yeah I would love to do it myself, but its hard to even start....

[CommieHunter]

Dangit, Timing is nonexistent. It's a misnomer. The gears aren't mis-timed. Criminy.

Also, since he said that it doesn't do anything but once every 10 shots or so a BB pops out, then the tappet plate is a less likely culprit. If the tappet were broken, a BB would never make it into the chamber.

My bet is on hop-up bucking. If that's the case, it's an easy fix and well worth it.

[Chairmanlao]

Dangit, Timing is nonexistent. It's a misnomer. The gears aren't mis-timed. Criminy.

Also, since he said that it doesn't do anything but once every 10 shots or so a BB pops out, then the tappet plate is a less likely culprit. If the tappet were broken, a BB would never make it into the chamber.

My bet is on hop-up bucking. If that's the case, it's an easy fix and well worth it.

Yeah, I hope Jesse or Adam @ AONW can just get down and quickly fix the gun...

Seeing that if i needed to get a BRAND NEW HOP UP (it would only cost about < 40.00) and have them exchange it, I should only be looking at around < 60.00 to fix.

Correct me if i'm wrong, or to give me a better est.

[LiquidSnak]

Yeah, I missed the part about once every ten shots or so. In any case, it should not be an expensive endeavor.

[Rogue Reaper]

Dangit, Timing is nonexistent. It's a misnomer. The gears aren't mis-timed. Criminy.
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there is no ttiming from tappet to piston as it is all controled by one gear, but if the antireverse latch is not right then the gear set can back up as much as 180 degrees.

it is not a misnomer, It is a fact, and BS thread like this are the reason I dont offer help anymore.

Bring your gun to me and I will fix the stinker for free. I still have parts from when I used to do it all the time.

[CommieHunter]

Dangit, Timing is nonexistent. It's a misnomer. The gears aren't mis-timed. Criminy.
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there is no ttiming from tappet to piston as it is all controled by one gear, but if the antireverse latch is not right then the gear set can back up as much as 180 degrees.

it is not a misnomer, It is a fact, and BS thread like this are the reason I dont offer help anymore.

Bring your gun to me and I will fix the f***er for free. I still have parts from when I used to do it all the time.

Ok, so timing is almost completely a misnomer. Yes, there is some variation on where your gear will rest depending on where you set it against the anti-reversal latch. However, most modern gears have 4-6 catches, meaning at most a 90 degree reversal of the bevel gear. The bevel gear in a standard gearbox is 18:1 on the sector gear, so this means you're looking at a 5 degree turn of the sector gear. Even with two stops on the bevel gear, that's 10 degrees. These small variations do not change how the tappet plate functions.

Yes, the gearbox is easiest to put back together with the sector gear in the correct position. Once the gearbox cycles once, it has set itself and it doesn't matter where exactly you put that gear, other than those 5-10 degrees. The sector gear will always hit the cutoff lever at the same angle and position, and it will always coast to a stop from there. The only way that changes in position is your current battery power affecting the motor speed and coast time.

[Raging Hormann]

Only if you AR latch broke out and your gears were able to spin completely backwards an entire cycle(bypassing the resistance of the motor's magnets when spring tension is no longer a factor), then you would face an issue with a tooth going where is should not be.

Other than that and Adam's statements which mirror my own examination of gearbox interiors, I can't think of an instance in which timing is a possible issue.

[Chairmanlao]

Dangit, Timing is nonexistent. It's a misnomer. The gears aren't mis-timed. Criminy.
.

there is no ttiming from tappet to piston as it is all controled by one gear, but if the antireverse latch is not right then the gear set can back up as much as 180 degrees.

it is not a misnomer, It is a fact, and BS thread like this are the reason I dont offer help anymore.

Bring your gun to me and I will fix the f***er for free. I still have parts from when I used to do it all the time.

Ok, so timing is almost completely a misnomer. Yes, there is some variation on where your gear will rest depending on where you set it against the anti-reversal latch. However, most modern gears have 4-6 catches, meaning at most a 90 degree reversal of the bevel gear. The bevel gear in a standard gearbox is 18:1 on the sector gear, so this means you're looking at a 5 degree turn of the sector gear. Even with two stops on the bevel gear, that's 10 degrees. These small variations do not change how the tappet plate functions.

Yes, the gearbox is easiest to put back together with the sector gear in the correct position. Once the gearbox cycles once, it has set itself and it doesn't matter where exactly you put that gear, other than those 5-10 degrees. The sector gear will always hit the cutoff lever at the same angle and position, and it will always coast to a stop from there. The only way that changes in position is your current battery power affecting the motor speed and coast time.

I guess if Reap can't help me out, then I will get a ride over to AONW, and have someone look at it....

But now it seems like its either Hop up, or the gears?

[CommieHunter]

Oh, I'm not saying that Reaper can't fix it. He has a reputation for good work. I'm just saying that the idea of blaming the issue on 'timing' isn't the actual cause.

[Cap n pickles]

Well, everytime i open my GB or another i set the the gear piece to 1' clock position. And ever sense ive never had problems.

[Raging Hormann]

you mean you set the tappet plate stub to the 1 o' clock? This is because the teeth on your sector gear are facing down, allowing them to mesh properly with the piston teeth.
This is the only "timing" issue you will ever face that I know of. If you have your teeth up when your piston is at the forward position, well I'm sure you can see what it looks like when you open your gearbox.
It looks like it won't work, and that's because it won't.

[Catch22]

Now that this thread is completely offtopic it deserves a lock. Oh and I'll take Rogue Reaper (Troys') advice about gearboxes anyday. He's only been working on them some 7-8 years.