Problems with G&P?

[toddski]

What shop was it? Tacoma Tactical? But yeah, G&P AEG's are great. IMO one of the best brands out there. I had problems with gear axles breaking though.

Exact same thing happened to my G&P after 2,000 rounds.

[Raging Hormann]

I had the chance to use one of their SR25K URX's, and boy was I excited. Amazing range on that thing. Noe joke, made a hit on someone from 75 yds with a short burst. The thing was stock.

No complaints from me. In fact, I believe my next purchase is either going to be a CA M16A4/M4 PMC, or a G&P SR16 URX. Probably the G&P at this rate.

[X]

Is 29,000 rounds, before a major failure, good or bad for the way the gun was shooting?
Could another brand do better at the same level of performance with the stock internals?

Yea, my stock KWA with a Blue LiPo Lasted for 2- 89,000 rnd rice bags of 0.28's didn't have no trouble with it till I loaned it to my cousin . " Bad mistake , Dry firing fool . " But I'm one of them KWA lovers . KWA All the way .

[namloot]

Is 29,000 rounds, before a major failure, good or bad for the way the gun was shooting?
Could another brand do better at the same level of performance with the stock internals?

Yea, my stock KWA with a Blue LiPo Lasted for 2- 89,000 rnd rice bags of 0.28's didn't have no trouble with it till I loaned it to my cousin . " Bad mistake , Dry firing fool . " But I'm one of them KWA lovers . KWA All the way .

Does your stock KWA AEG shoot 435fps w/ .20g BB?
Was it shooting 27bps?

[G36 FTW]

Does your stock KWA AEG shoot 435fps w/ .20g BB?
Was it shooting 27bps?

Over 20,000 with 27rps and ~420 fps is so-so good. It could be better, though. I managed to get over 90,000 rounds through my E1 G36 without ever touching the internals... But I sure wasn't close to 27rps, more like ~19-20... (still never broke, I upgraded it)

Anyway it's a good idea to replace the gears & piston in a G&P... The sooner they are replaced the better. But then again there are those who havent had any preoblems with theirs after 1 or more years while in stock form.

[LiquidSnak]

That many RPS at that velocity will do damage.

[CommieHunter]

Liquid, that's your opinion based on your experience. I know of many many guns that perform like that and higher without breaking. Please stop equating opinion with fact.

I like G&P. Their 3 failings are 1) The back of the piston breaks off their stock guns. This is due to the angle of engagement in the gearbox between the sector gear and piston, not because the piston is weak. 2) Their gears have funny shear lines sometimes. They break axles more than they break teeth. 3) The dust covers on their new ones do not snap shut.

However, since they have very very high quality parts in the externals department, I still like their AEGs. They use more steel than any other manufacturer in that price range. Their barrels, sights, rails, stocks, etc are all top-shelf as far as fit and finish goes. Additionally, their gearboxes put out ROF that rivals or beats KWA while still being compatible with aftermarket parts.

They're not the be-all, end-all, but they do have their strengths.

[HKspecter-A2]

3) The dust covers on their new ones do not snap shut.

That's a feature, not a flaw

[CommieHunter]

No, I mean they don't close. G&P made their dust cover off of real rifle specs, but the latch on the door is too fat, so the door cannot close when the gearbox is inside the body. The door is held open with a spring, but you cannot latch it shut, so it's always open.

[HKspecter-A2]

No, I mean they don't close. G&P made their dust cover off of real rifle specs, but the latch on the door is too fat, so the door cannot close when the gearbox is inside the body. The door is held open with a spring, but you cannot latch it shut, so it's always open.

and what I'm telling you is that G&P bodies are (designed) that way. it is not a flaw

[LiquidSnak]

It is a bleeding flaw. Deal with it. G&P designed the regular rifle, and then on the new one the gearbox is too large to accommodate the latch for the dust cover. It IS not and WILL not be a feature in this lifetime.

Deal with it.

Also, my opinion is based on experience. I boiled it down to barney style, but you know as well as I do that 400+FPS with 30 RPS will put more stress (IE damage you can't see) on a gearbox then a 400+ FPS rifle with 10-15 RPS or a 300 FPS rifle with 30 RPS.

[league 4]

Some consider it a feature because it's more realistic because you can't have it closed when shooting like a real one.... Calm down...

[k3gn3123512]

Some consider it a feature because it's more realistic because you can't have it closed when shooting like a real one.... Calm down...

Yeah that is what G&P was probably going for. I have yet to see a real Gun shoot with its dust cover closed.

[LiquidSnak]

G&P made a mistake. Can no one seriously handle this?

If G&P was designing for the dust cover needing to be open while the gun is firing, they would have made it so the dust cover springs open when you fire the gun, and if they were going for realism, you would be able to close the damn cover.

[GacktC]

Or have it functions like the VFC 416? Tap on the ping-pong paddle, then the bolt cover will shut?