wich gun would YOU buy for a dmr set up?

[LiquidSnak]

To build a DMR you need consistent shots, and that starts with internals on a chinaman gun.

I bought the JAE-100 stock from KART knowing full well it needed internals to run superbly, and I basically paid $150.00 for a stock, upper receiver, a gearbox shell, and wiring harness.

[Peaches]

To build a DMR you need consistent shots, and that starts with internals on a chinaman gun.

I bought the JAE-100 stock from KART knowing full well it needed internals to run superbly, and I basically paid $150.00 for a stock, upper receiver, a gearbox shell, and wiring harness.

That's true, but that doesn't mean that the DMR has to be a M14 variant. As long as it is shooting consistent, and has a little bit more range than the typical M4, than it would be considered a DMR. It's actually not the rifle that is considered the DMR, it's the actual shooter that is considered the DMR.

[Jester316]

Peaches, DMR= Designated Marksmen Rifle

DM= Designate Marksman


I know you were in the Navy and all, but come on...

[Peaches]

Peaches, DMR= Designated Marksmen Rifle

DM= Designate Marksman


I know you were in the Navy and all, but come on...

Chair Force and I was busy during that post :P. But the point I am trying to make is that some people are saying that an M-16 with a TBB can't be used as a DMR, that only an M14 or a PSG-1 can be only used as DMR, when if you look at actual DM's they can use M16's as well as M14's.

IMO, an Effective DMR can't be built from just a long rifle and a TBB.

If I was to build a DMR, using a lot of money, I'd probably start with a TM M14, as I've heard their hop ups are fantastic.

And my Echo 1 with a stock GB (the gear box hadn't even been opened to make sure it was shimmed properly) and stock hop-up but with a TBB and iron sights, I was hitting people from about I would say 200' accurately. So I disagree that you have to spend a lot of money to make an accurate DMR (I may be the exception rather than the rule).

And I assume that the OP can do a little bit of shooting because he is from more than likely Horseheads area, might be Elmira, but I highly doubt Elmira unless it's outside of Rte. 352 as Elmira doesn't have that much in the way of woods to play airsoft at (at least the last time I was back there it didn't)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman

[GacktC]

Yes, a well tune M16 can be a DMR for sure.
M14 is not a MUST.
Basically need a good scope with a long enough airsoft rifle with good internal.
Expensive enough to have an upgraded DMR, that is why ppl spent so much money to work on their PSG-1.
Lots of beginners wanna be a DM & saying the Echo1 ER-25 is so cool & like to upgrade it over 500FPS!!
I know it takes time to be a good DM or sniper, but tons of beginners just like to be a sniper because of the guns are so cool looking.
It costs a whole lot to have a good sniper gun that your teammates don't piss at you, and you do have to work the way up to be a trustful DMR(good skill with good rifle to assist your mates).

[Strayz]

Basically need a good scope with a long enough airsoft rifle with good internal.
Expensive enough to have an upgraded DMR, that is why ppl spent so much money to work on their PSG-1.

Any rifle can be the right one for any DM. It doesn't have to have a scope. Your eyes will be your best asset here. I will not argue the advantages, but I will say anything over 3-4x will slow you down in getting your target. At most airsoft ranges you will not need a scope. Red dot site is up to you.

People are forgetting the most important part of being a DM. The nut behind the trigger.

Learn to shoot first, then worry about hitting a knats a$$ at 100Ft, and getting that fancy title of DM until later (Earning title from skill > getting title because you dropped a lot of cash on a fancy toy). Skill is between the ears and the finger, Good gear will only take you to that point faster.

Another thing to remember, every person is a DM when the time to step up comes. Unfortunately there is not enough difference in the Airsoft world that most rifles can be DMR with a little time (and money) making them more accurate.

[Moparspanky]

I havent' played in many organized skirmishes, but we play 2 on 2 and 3 on 3 on my property often, in a forested region of about 4 acres so long shots are possible. I've run mechanical sights, red dot, and 3x fixed (some 4x fixed), and 3x ACOG. Understanding I'm not talking sniper but DM, I have to agree, finding the target at airsoft range (50-200ft) is impeded by a scope with magnification. The only time it works for me is when my target is unaware of my whereabouts. I find with the naked eye, then use the scope to dial in the shot. If they know I'm there, scope just makes it slower. I'd go with a 1x ACOG or red dot. Keep in mind I'm an old fart who just likes to play with guns, real and airsoft, to the advice is worth what you paid for it.

[Moparspanky]

Almost forgot. This weekend my brother was running a G&G M14, bone stock with mechanical sights only and was absolutely tearing the other guys up. He did have excellent cover and high ground. I'm pretty sure he got into that gun for about $250. He's used it two years straight now and loves it.

[Matt]

I like rolling with an M16 for added accuracy. The parts and magazines are cheap, the upgrade options are vast, and it feels like an M4... That's what I'm used to. A tightbore 509mm will yield good results. Plus you can have a second front end at M4 length and swap out whenever you don't need the added length.

A scope can be good for spotting, but make sure you still have use of your iron sights. Depends on where you are going and what your mission is. Something with more recon might require a scope, but an all out shoot fest might be easier with iron sights. People can debate which is better til they're blue in the face, but it all depends on what tools you need for the game.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STAY AWAY FROM THE TM PSG-1! Sorry, had to say it. That gun is a total piece.

[DaNnY4886]

okay, thankyou everywon for you oppinions. i would like to add that we dont play huge games or anything, just somefriends having fun. but dont get me wrong, im looking for a great gun for the money, with above average accuracy. my goal is to have a more accurate, long rage weapon than my friends g&g gr 16 with a 3x zoom scope. im pretty fure hes going for a tbb soon so my goal is to out preform his gun. but im not too crazy about paying over 300$ for it. at least not at once. idealy the gun, tbb, scope mount if nessesary, adn bipod if nessesary, would be under 300$ but if i really need to spend more i suppose i can. hes allready up too 350$ without any upgrades besides a rail mount for the carrying handle. so i dont want to go over that.

[GacktC]

I think the PSG-1 is totally totally a "toy", also their M4S system

[LiquidSnak]

You aren't going to beat a GR-16 for less than $300.

[Darius137]

Get a TM UZI.

Take all the parts out, make metal copies of them.

Put it at 400fps.

Buy the wooden stock for it, add a cheek pad.

Get a mock suppressor and hide an inner barrel.






In the real world, M4's are also DMR's. You just put in a heavier weight barrel, use better ammunition, and get a magnified optic. It's what the Army does now, though I used an M14 with an ACOG as a DMR as well.

[DaNnY4886]

yeah, i havnt shot a very wide range of airsoft guns but i have used my friends gr-16 quite a bit. is the stock accuracy of that, g&g gr16 a2 or a3 i cant rember, considered an above accuracy weapon in the big leagues? i like how there is barley any left to right curve of it. are the only brand weapons that will be like this g&g ,classic army ,and tokyo marui? and you mentioned that you will end up paying more for a clone in the long run. does this meen that the stock internals of a g&g are preupgraded enough to handle a stroger spring..ect and the gears and bushings are reinforced compared to say a jg? sorry for all the questions i just dont want to pay all my piggy bank money on something that isnt going to be "perfect", for my use anyway, after 400$

[Moparspanky]

Brands that are not top notch (G&G, CA) won't have nearly as robust of construction, both internally and externally. If you plan to upgrade the internals of your weapon, you'll probably end up unhappy if you buy a cheap AEG unless you outright replace the entire gearbox. Are you after accuracy or fast bb flight? They're not NECESSARILY related. You can get accurate with sub 350fps in my opinion with a good hopup and a tightbore, and firing heavier bb's will give you flatter trajectory and longer flight, just slower velocity. If you really plan on being a DM you'll want to be able to engage from a distance so you will need decent bb speed on top of accuracy. But, based on some of your comments, it sounds like you might just want a more accurate weapon than your buddy and you don't skirmish much? Heck, throw a tight bore and a mad bull hop up on anything with an inner barrel 400mm or longer. Folks here can correct me if I've made any incorrect comments.