L85 vs M16

[Eudorus]

The reloading technique for a bullpup is a little different than for a conventional rifle. Rather than ready mags on your weak hip you put them on your strong hip. Support your weapon with the butt mashed into your shoulder and your weak hand supporting the front end on the forestock. Use your strong hand to grab a fresh mag from your ready pouch, hit the mag release to drop the old mag and drive home the fresh mag.
I am happy to demonstrate for anyone who is interested.

[Raging Hormann]

I can see that working quite well. In fact, I will keep that in mind in case I ever get an AUG or L85.

[LiquidSnak]

The L85 is a good weapon. It'll take some getting used to but it is a handy thing to have ~500mm of barrel length in a compact format. The M16 can be a cumbersome weapon, but it also feels nice.

[Android]

I am happy to demonstrate for anyone who is interested.

If you can get a vid posted that would be cool. Youtube is being useless.

[Cap n pickles]

you can't customize l85's. m16's give you more freedom. l85's to me were awkward to hold for me. susats are really expensive. it's mostly your choice but if you like your guns with attachments then go for an m16. if your going to use it for outdoors then you don't need your guns compact. i had to make this decision, i chose m16, i got bored, lucky you you got G&G coming out with 2. hopefully they fixed the blow back problem that it had. but of course if to you l85's look better than m16's then get the l85. do what you want. like valentine said it's like comparing apples to oranges.

You're a retard.

[CommieHunter]

you can't customize l85's. m16's give you more freedom. l85's to me were awkward to hold for me. susats are really expensive. it's mostly your choice but if you like your guns with attachments then go for an m16. if your going to use it for outdoors then you don't need your guns compact. i had to make this decision, i chose m16, i got bored, lucky you you got G&G coming out with 2. hopefully they fixed the blow back problem that it had. but of course if to you l85's look better than m16's then get the l85. do what you want. like valentine said it's like comparing apples to oranges.

You're a retard.

Unfortunately, your post doesn't give anyone reason to think anything different of you, either.

I don't mean to make personal attacks, but a lot of people miss the point of a forum. It isn't to get a higher postcount, and it's not to get out there and express your frustration with other people, primarily. It's to obtain and provide information.

While airsoft750's opinion isn't necessarily well founded, and his advice may be off base, saying 'You're a retard' doesn't help anyone, and it certainly isn't helping you any.

[Eudorus]

To address some comments here which address respectively the RS and AS versions:
The L85 has a 519 mm barrel (509 in AS format), the L22 carbine has a 440 mm barrel. it is eminently customizable, the mag reloads are as fast as on the AR platform, you just have to learn a different technique, there are few GB upgrades available for the AS version but performance is highly competitive out of the box, reliability on early versions was poor but the A2 rebuild fixed that problem, the SAS use WTFever they want and I can tell for sure from personal experience that some members have made use of late model L85 variants. The British army makes use of both the SUSAT and ACOG on the L85 so the price of optics is not an issue. Also, Soldiers whinge and the media likes to whip up a scandal.
Airsoft750, almost everything that you posted is wrong.

[VogonFord]

Also, ARES is coming out with a metal gearbox L85A2 very soon as opposed to their earlier polycarb one, which I am incredibly tempted to waste all my money on. That gun will be sex in airsoft form.

[Cap n pickles]

you can't customize l85's. m16's give you more freedom. l85's to me were awkward to hold for me. susats are really expensive. it's mostly your choice but if you like your guns with attachments then go for an m16. if your going to use it for outdoors then you don't need your guns compact. i had to make this decision, i chose m16, i got bored, lucky you you got G&G coming out with 2. hopefully they fixed the blow back problem that it had. but of course if to you l85's look better than m16's then get the l85. do what you want. like valentine said it's like comparing apples to oranges.

You're a retard.

Unfortunately, your post doesn't give anyone reason to think anything different of you, either.

I don't mean to make personal attacks, but a lot of people miss the point of a forum. It isn't to get a higher postcount, and it's not to get out there and express your frustration with other people, primarily. It's to obtain and provide information.

While airsoft750's opinion isn't necessarily well founded, and his advice may be off base, saying 'You're a retard' doesn't help anyone, and it certainly isn't helping you any.

Anyone who who say's that a Airsoft gun isn't fit for custom work is a retard. The L85 can have some very cool Custom work done to it, along with other "Odd ball" guns.

Troll, troll, lurk.

[john boy]

you can't customize l85's. m16's give you more freedom. l85's to me were awkward to hold for me. susats are really expensive. it's mostly your choice but if you like your guns with attachments then go for an m16. if your going to use it for outdoors then you don't need your guns compact. i had to make this decision, i chose m16, i got bored, lucky you you got G&G coming out with 2. hopefully they fixed the blow back problem that it had. but of course if to you l85's look better than m16's then get the l85. do what you want. like valentine said it's like comparing apples to oranges.

You're a retard.

Unfortunately, your post doesn't give anyone reason to think anything different of you, either.

I don't mean to make personal attacks, but a lot of people miss the point of a forum. It isn't to get a higher postcount, and it's not to get out there and express your frustration with other people, primarily. It's to obtain and provide information.

While airsoft750's opinion isn't necessarily well founded, and his advice may be off base, saying 'You're a retard' doesn't help anyone, and it certainly isn't helping you any.

Anyone who who say's that a Airsoft gun isn't fit for custom work is a retard. The L85 can have some very cool Custom work done to it, along with other "Odd ball" guns.

Troll, troll, lurk.

This my custom work on my L85
As for reloading mags.. It takes some practice. I have been using my for about a year.. I can actually reload mag rather quickly and even with out losing my aperture, scope or sight picture.

[Charon]

The L85 is heavier, less comfortable (in my opinion), and the real life L85 models are unreliable (however I'm not sure how reliable the L85-A2 is). Some L85s come with integrated scopes (4x SUSAT), although many airsoft replicas lack this. The M16 may be longer, but it is more comfortable with plenty of third party components, both internal and external. I also prefer the look of M16 type rifles.

[Eudorus]

The L85 is heavier, less comfortable (in my opinion), and the real life L85 models are unreliable (however I'm not sure how reliable the L85-A2 is). Some L85s come with integrated scopes (4x SUSAT), although many airsoft replicas lack this. The M16 may be longer, but it is more comfortable with plenty of third party components, both internal and external. I also prefer the look of M16 type rifles.

You just did not bother to read anything in this thread at all did you?

[IrishAsasin]

Pros M16:

Widely Known
Easier to Field Strip
more external parts available

Pros L85:
Unique
Rear weight for more comfortable feel
uses AR Mags
Bullpup makes for high maneuverability

Its all up to you really, but the ICS L85 is the best on the market.


also, contrary to other opinions earlier in the thread. its not that heavy and you dont have to buy a friggin SUSAT

[john boy]

Pros M16:

Widely Known
Easier to Field Strip
more external parts available

Pros L85:
Unique
Rear weight for more comfortable feel
uses AR Mags
Bullpup makes for high maneuverability

Its all up to you really, but the ICS L85 is the best on the market.


also, contrary to other opinions earlier in the thread. its not that heavy and you dont have to buy a friggin SUSAT

I would adjust the field striping.. On pin out of the rear, you slide the upper receiver forward and you have access to the internals. Also, one more pin out, you can separate the upper gearbox from the lower. A third pin out, you have your lower gearbox out.
Where to get to your gearbox(version II). You would need to remove the two lock pins on the receiver, remove the mag release, Punch out the flora pin, remover the grip and motor, and remove the stock. Then you will have to contend with the worst designed gearbox on the market to do any work too (I have worked on countless version II gearboxes, one word "shims").
The only down fall I have seen with the L85 is the battery. To move to a 9.6 volt High Mah, you need to do some removal of the plastic in the hand guard. Also making some custom batteries, six cell in the back and two cells in the front..
Or on the L85 RIS I have two 9.6 volt Mini's in a PEQ box with a manual switch, where I can click over to a new battery when the order one needs some rest..