DMR

[Ripper]

So I am looking at getting a new toy. I dont know if this or the bolt forum is best but I was curious if many events put restrictions on Marksmen. If I where to get a M14 or a DMR m16 if they are regulated like SAW and bolts. any sudjestions on good rifles? I am hoping to spend around 350. I am still a little knew at all this, but I prefer the feildcraft of the DMR. anyway thanks for the input in advance.

[Beran]

it just has to stay under 400fps for most events. some hosts are starting to do 475fps limits for hard-modified semiauto only guns though. aside from that, just get whatever battle rifle you want and accurize it.

[Miracle]

Depends on where you're from. If you can prove that your replica is incapabale of firing full auto because of a semi auto sear mod or whatever, you can run it at 550 fps up in washington, and all bolt action restrictions will apply.

Otherwise, under 400 fps and it is treated like any other AEG. Hence the lack of popularity for the DMR role in airsoft.

[Ripper]

Eh, I am not one for using full auto even when its available. Waste of ammo.

[Reeko]

Waste of ammo.

its a 6mm bb it costs like 1/10 of 1 cent

[Ripper]

Its the principal of the thing. Why do with 10 BBs what I can do with 1.

[shakespeare]

Sensible.
Basically, what you will want is a good M16 or M14, with a tightbore barrel and upgraded hop up. It can shoot up to 475 if semi auto only at some fields. Many require 400 FPS maximum regardless of semi auto only. So it is up to you.

[RBeran]

Its the principal of the thing. Why do with 10 BBs what I can do with 1.

Yes...you get it. It requires more finesse and skill to take someone out with 2-3 bb's than with 40-50.

I am a DM. I run a highly modified Classic Army M4 DMR. I want long range, good accuracy, and the ability to use my platform in an observation mode. I also want it to look like a DMR. Follows the mods done to this rifle by myself and others:

Starting with a Classic Army M4 (designated M15A4)

Performance Mods:

-M16 Length 6.02mm TBB
-Retains CA Hopup with blue bucking and H-Nub installed
-CA Hi-Torque Motor
-Lepers 3-9X Illuminated Rifle Scope

Visual and Ergonomic Mods:

-Full Stock
-Daniel Defense 16' RIS
-RUG Front Hand grip
-JBU 8.25" Suppressor (extends the length to accommodate the TBB)
-PSG1 Custom Ergonomic Grip
-2 point sling

I recently had opportunity to do some range work with this rifle at Sniperzden on a measured 230 ft range. The performance mods, in combination with careful hopup adjustment, have gotten this rifle shooting out to 215ft with a 6-8 inch accuracy spread standing unsopported.

To compare: The standard M4 carbines in our inventory (there are five) are about 175-195ft with about a 9-11 inch spread.

I have also spent a fair amount of time dialing my scope in. Not to the accuracy a real steel marksman would...in airsoft I am not concerned with windage and MOA etc. I am only concerned when I put the reticle on target the bb's go predictably the same place every time, and I can see them through the scope.

Ergonomically I want my rifle to be comfortable...I will spend triple the time sitting looking through my scope as a DM than when I am rolling as a rifleman with a carbine. It's a heavier rifle than a standard M4, so it's important it's well balanced and the grips are comfortable with good support. The two point sling, I simply throw it over my shoulder.

Finally, airsoft is as much about the loadout/impression for me as the playing. Our team emulates Marine Corp. as well as various Special Forces loadouts, and I want my weapons platform to look the part.

Longass answer to a simple question. Hope this helps.

[Patrick750]

Sorry if im kind of interrupting but is that 3-9X magnification suitable for your dmr? Do your bb's reach far enough for were the 3x magnification will make a difference?

[Beran]

anything over 4x is typically only for observation. 3x-4x is about the highest i ever go for actual shooting at people. its nice to be able to zoom in farther for identification of a target at long range. the guy on the hill over there, is he on the same team as us or are we about to get flanked?

[RBeran]

Sorry if im kind of interrupting but is that 3-9X magnification suitable for your dmr? Do your bb's reach far enough for were the 3x magnification will make a difference?

Ok Patrick...I'll bite. Do my bb's reach far enough for the 3X magnification to make a difference, is what you are trying to ask I presume (You need to work your grammar, son!)...Yes, I do use my scope in all ranges of magnification.

My scope happens to be calibrated so I know where bb's will go. I turn my scope up to about 6X, and troll the landscape. The minute something moves that shouldn't, or pops a color that does not belong in nature, moves a direction contrary to the wind, (my favorite) or shows me a profile (second favorite...nothing funnier than a noob in a full ghillie who stands up against the landscape), I see it.

Wanna know why I can pick your a$$ off from 180+ ft. when all you show me is your elbow? Because at 6X your elbow looks like a Mack truck in my scope. Your elbow does not belong coming out from behind a tree. It's pointy and I guarantee you will move it in a way that does not look natural and I will see it every time. If your elbow falls into my scope, it's in that 6-8 in. spread I stated earlier, and your a$$ and your elbow are mine.

Now I don't need that magnification to shoot you, but I sure as hell would not have seen your elbow if I had not been prowling about at 6X.

So yes, 3X and up are very useful to me. Further, when someone in my team hollers "contact on the ridge", the first thing the team lead wants to know is what type of contact? Friend or foe...sometimes a rifleman will have seen movement enough to know a contact is there, but be unable to identify. That's my job. I can see what bare eyes cannot.

[Miracle]

Its the principal of the thing. Why do with 10 BBs what I can do with 1.

Because idiots who are hit with 1 bb from 100 ft away many times will not realize they are hit. Which is why 100 bbs to the dome from 100 ft is preferred. This is not real steel. Its airsoft. there are those who don't call their hits when it doesnt result in death or dismemberment.

[God]

Hey, sorry if this random, does the Burst wizard count as semi only if used?

[phiz]

My new dmr with a 3-9 scope, 6.01, 11 lbs, 450 fps semi only.

[RBeran]

Nice rifle Phiz!

Folks, this man means business!