Sniper Rifle Thoughts

[skyguy]

I believe that designated marksman rifles should be limited at 400 fps. However, I also believe that there should be electric sniper rifles that shoot over 400 fps. I'm not talking about m4’s with a long barrel and cheap scope or even weapons like the PSG-1. What I’m talking about is a bolt action rifle with a gearbox, a bolt action rifle that must be cycled in-between shots.

I am not a sniper, nor do I ever want to be a sniper, but I don’t understand why these types of guns do not exist. What is the difference from gas or air powered sniper rifles that shoot 600 fps and a gearbox driven bolt action rifle that shoots at 600 fps. They both would have virtually the same rate of fire. Low cap magazines would keep the weapons from being competitive in large fire fights against AEG’s. Most of all, the reliability of a well made gearbox could make these weapons feasible in cold weather environments and most of all consistent in comparison to gas guns.

I understand that a gearbox can be loud and potentially give away position, but I have heard weapons with foam inside the body to quiet the gearbox and it works quite well. Overall I think a gearbox driven bolt action rife would be a huge seller, and I can’t understand why manufacturers have not created one, at least to my knowledge.

Can anyone else give me their thoughts on a product like this? I fear the influx of new players buying something like this to emulate Hollywood movies, but for the real snipers out there I think this would be a powerful weapon system.

[Junto]

Paging airsoft residentura, wherever he's been.

He had a similar idea that consisted of making his M14 require manual cycling while still running on electricity so that he could use his favorite platform at 550fps. I thing the idea is in the same spirit, just taking that gearbox and putting it in something else.

[Nox]

Skyler, when the hell are you coming out again? Ya bastard

[skyguy]

I was out last weekend, i'll be out again this weekend!

[Merchant]

In airsoft it is really hard to have a DM per say. There is very little middle ground between an AEG that can get 150-200 feet of range over a VSR that can get a 300 foot shot. When It comes to airsoft sniping its more how you USE the rifle, NOT the range, fps level ect. I have a friend that has a TM VSR that gets 250-300 feet or so, but he uses it like a DM, running with guys toteing AEG's, and he gets a fair amout of kills.

A sniper waits for his pray, and waits for the perfect shot, even if it means letting other targets go by. While a DM supports main troops with a more accurate long range rifle.

The idea of a gearbox driven bolt is not the best. Like you said when it comes to marksman's rifles you have two real options: gas and spring. Gas is unreliable in that with tempature changes fps changes making them (in my mind) not the best choice. Which leaves us with spring. So why spring over a gear box? Simplicity. No matter how well you make a gear box you will always have more moving parts which translates to more room for error. ALWAYS. If you have ever seen a spring rifle dissassembled (if you haven't I would youtube it) they are EXTREMELY simple. This makes them preform very reliably and consistant. When it comes to a one-shot one-kill the thing that matters most over range and fps is consistancy. If you can get a round out to 200' but the round goes between 2-3 feet from left to right, the odds of hitting your target go way down. Now if your rounds consistantly go to left, you can compinsate (which is part of being a marksman). A gear box will always be less consistant than the simpicity of a bolt. Besides it would be encredably hard to design a bolt with a gear box.

(besides i don't see the benifiet of a gearbox in a bolt if you have to pull the bolt back every time. Pulling one back on a VSR isn't that much of a burden anyways.)

Hope that helped! =D

[Nec]

The only "sniper" that I can think of that has a gearbox is Tokyo Mauri PSG-1.
At one time there was a rumor at the Sea-Tac field that someone had an upgraded PSG-1 that shot over 500FPS.

Peaches could confrom this?

[Carpet]

The only "sniper" that I can think of that has a gearbox is Tokyo Mauri PSG-1.
At one time there was a rumor at the Sea-Tac field that someone had an upgraded PSG-1 that shot over 500FPS.

Peaches could confrom this?

We had one in AZ that shot close to 550, but i think that's outside the point of this thread, seeing as the PSG-1 is semi-auto. A bolt action electric sniper is a great idea, and would eliminate SOME of the problems with bolt action rifles. I just dont think there would be a large enough niche for the products RnD to be very profitable.

[noneofyourbusiness1]

Why won't anybody delete my account like I requested?

[f-bomb]

The only "sniper" that I can think of that has a gearbox is Tokyo Mauri PSG-1.
At one time there was a rumor at the Sea-Tac field that someone had an upgraded PSG-1 that shot over 500FPS.

Peaches could confrom this?

That was church's rifle, last i heard it was shooting around 600 with .28s but that field didn't have an fps limit at the time.

[Beran]

the way the AP limits work, so long as it is manually operated it is ok up to 550fps. gas, spring, electric, whatever. as long as it is not automatic or semiautomatic, its ok up to sniper velocities.

[noneofyourbusiness1]

Why won't anybody delete my account like I requested?

[CalvinB]

then it IS NOT legal for use at AP events, Nice necropost by the way

[noneofyourbusiness1]

Why won't anybody delete my account like I requested?

[Beran]

I believe that designated marksman rifles should be limited at 400 fps. However, I also believe that there should be electric sniper rifles that shoot over 400 fps. I'm not talking about m4’s with a long barrel and cheap scope or even weapons like the PSG-1. What I’m talking about is a bolt action rifle with a gearbox, a bolt action rifle that must be cycled in-between shots.

[binicb2r]

"What I’m talking about is a bolt action rifle with a gearbox, a bolt action rifle that must be cycled in-between shots."

that sounds like every other bolt action rifle out there. the electric part makes no sense to me. a sniper who knows his gun can cycle that bolt pretty dam fast.

as was said before, electric has more chance to fail and is less consistent. thats why most dedicated sniper rifles in real steel are bolt action.