Condor is now Milsim.....

[NFS_Shadow]

Was discussing this with my Manager at work yesterday,(recently retired marine, worked with a lot of the marsoc operators). He had absolutely no clue what the condor mopc was didn't have any clue what a land or maritime ciras was however when i showed him pictures of mine he instantly recognized them both and trashed the ciras and the iotv. Told me that when he was on patrol they always wore an mopc style pc or something very similar, usually bought privately and attached the iotv side plate pouches to them. It was very clear that they don't give a crap so long as they can move quickly in it.

[Darius137]

I've used a lot of shit gear as well as quality (read: Expensive) gear.

The MOPC has stitching on par with the other ones for the most part. If you go somewhere local to test it out--and make sure the MOLLE columns are not upsidedown up and inspect the stitching, it is good to go. It's not like Crye uses special super string that Condor doesn't. Sometimes the real gear is lighter and breaks quicker. Sometimes it uses fancy plastics and elastics that don't hold up under real field use. A corpsman buddy of mine was disappointed in all of the LBT gear he was using and saw used by Marines/SEALs, though loved their Medic Pack.

I think the MOPC is solid. It holds a plate and is if anything, overbuilt. It is just a heavy handed attempt at a FAPC/Banshee, and I'd wear it into battle. The mag pouches are another story.

[frogfish]

It's not like Crye uses special super string

Nope they use Lighthouse for the Blind... and Crye is actually widely known for innovative designs with crappy stitching.

A corpsman buddy of mine was disappointed in all of the LBT gear he was using and saw used by Marines/SEALs, though loved their Medic Pack.

If bombproof construction and a no questions asked lifetime warranty aren't good enough I don't think anything would make your buddy happy.

[Darius137]

It's not like Crye uses special super string

Nope they use Lighthouse for the Blind... and Crye is actually widely known for innovative designs with crappy stitching.

A corpsman buddy of mine was disappointed in all of the LBT gear he was using and saw used by Marines/SEALs, though loved their Medic Pack.

If bombproof construction and a no questions asked lifetime warranty aren't good enough I don't think anything would make your buddy happy.

Unfortunately he was a medic, so he didn't have to test how bomb proof it was. He only had to watch the drag handles get ripped off consistently.

[McNair]

I think the MOPC is solid. It holds a plate and is if anything, overbuilt. It is just a heavy handed attempt at a FAPC/Banshee, and I'd wear it into battle. The mag pouches are another story.

I have to agree. I bought a MOPC used from Darius over a year ago and used it every weekend for the first 6 months and every couple weeks after that. I've had no stitching problems or anything falling apart. The only issue with the molle columns are on the end were they double up. Otherwise they're fine. I've only replaced it because it was slightly small on my fat a$$.
Pouches, as Dan said, are another story. But I also have blackhawk pouches that are piece of shit.

[Snowman]

Yeah, there's MOPCs that do fine, and then there are the ones like the one at 92Yankee that was tearing (brand new) when plates were in it and not even being used. It's too hit and miss.

[McNair]

Silly kids.

[Jewish Ninja]

I think the MOPC is solid. It holds a plate and is if anything, overbuilt. It is just a heavy handed attempt at a FAPC/Banshee, and I'd wear it into battle. The mag pouches are another story.

I have to agree. I bought a MOPC used from Darius over a year ago and used it every weekend for the first 6 months and every couple weeks after that. I've had no stitching problems or anything falling apart. The only issue with the molle columns are on the end were they double up. Otherwise they're fine. I've only replaced it because it was slightly small on my fat a$$.
Pouches, as Dan said, are another story. But I also have blackhawk pouches that are piece of shit.

Most Blackhawk stuff is made in Vietnam. Unless it's the older stuff before they started making it overseas.

[frogfish]

Most eagle stuff is made in the Dominican Republic too, only Berry compliant items are made in the US. All of LBTs kit is made in the US, and if the stitching comes undone they will repair it no questions asked.

[Jewish Ninja]

Current Eagle stuff is. Older stuff is still USA. I haven't really bought anything new from Eagle in ages, just lots of SFLCS stuffs on the Ebays.

[frogfish]

Eagle still has a plant in NC or Georgia or someplace like that that makes the Berry stuff.

I like the guys at HGG, if you ever meet a rep named Matt (I think that was his name) ask him why he loves the 40mm pouches... that dude is a trip.

[ogrejager]

I like the guys at HGG, if you ever meet a rep named Matt (I think that was his name) ask him why he loves the 40mm pouches... that dude is a trip.

Now I want the story.

[McNair]

From what I read in info about ATK buying EI, they already have places in Puerto Rico.

[Reeko]

That's the problem with Condor I experienced. Bad stitching, misaligned molle, etc. I have mostly HSGI stuff now, and it gets the job done and it's good quality. Not "milsim" per se, but it's comfy.

ive had tons of problems with misalligned molle webbing. Some of the loops are too small for the straps to go through. 3/4 condor rigs ive bought had an issue with that

but the price difference is worth the trouble for me, since i just need something to carry my mags, and look decent

[Rentax]

In 2005 a Chinese company started selling it's low priced gear for airsoft players. Much of their gear was replicas of military vests and chest rigs. Their gear was built as a side job for a factory. Soon they had a full line of 1000D gear that was being built with materials complying with military specification. This company's name was Phantom. 2 years later in 2007 the factory began solely producing their gear and they rebranded as PANTAC.
Now whether you look at Pantac as an airsoft brand or not, that was how they started... Because of low price and acceptable materials they are used in the field by both Military and Police personnel.
So you have to ask yourself, is Pantac an airsoft brand, or because it's in the field is it a military brand? OR is there a diference?
If you ask me there is a difference. That difference is intent... Complying with military standards isn't the same as being built for the field. Companies like Pantac and Condor are built to comply with military standards, where as companies like HSGI, Tactical Tailor, Eagle Industries, they go above and beyond the standard because they want to build the best product for the guys in the field. This intent to build the best product for military use is what drives them to create a product, make a product and sometimes even fix or replace a product when it has failed. Now are Pantac or Condor perfectly good for military use, probably. Are they perfectly fine for Airsoft use, of course.

One of the other things that has come up is the idea of Milsim, and Impressions.
I am going to define Milsim solely as Military Simulation. Therefore anything that simulates military would qualify as being Milsim. So from HSGI and Eagle Ind. all the way to Condor and Pantac can be Milsim, they will all do it with the ease and grace of an overloaded Plate carrier and 3000 rail attachments. However I have to say if you're putting together an impression kit, I think at MINIMUM 50% of your kit needs to be real deal or VERY close replicas. Buying a Condor Plate Carrier and covering it with condor pouches and is only giving the impression that you don't really care about getting your impression correct. I'm not saying that you can't have a pouch or two that are different... Take for instance I don't like the way the MK23 pistol mags fit in the TT Mag pouches. So I own the condor type with the elastic band that causes a tighter fit for my sub load... However every time I get back from an event I have to re-snap at least 2 snaps on the condor pouches because they just don't hold properly. I don't have that problem with the Eagle Ind. 90 degree adapter snaps or my TT MALICE clips because they are a better product.

My two cents is... Is Condor and Pantac used by military personnel, probably, but does that make it a great product? NO!