League Membership / Card Voucher System

[Darius137]

I'm just worried that APST will spearhead the league and implement their "no black people" rule at games.

[Cap n pickles]

After reading this i have some to a conclusion.


At first i was in support of this, but after looking into and thinking about it more i am not going to use this method for games i host.

my reasoning is just the fact that this is just to much hassle to get to work. With the way i want to take my game hosting, it is ideal that there is people coming from a ways away, and its not fair to them that they would not be able too because of lack of Card system or voucher/whatever.

I just do not see this working.

[Catch22]

I'm worried that CAG would use this as an xcuse to make us all wear blue shirts.

[Darius137]

I'm worried that CAG would use this as an xcuse to make us all wear blue shirts.

IT MUST BE DONE.

[ogrejager]

...right.

This has gone 10 pages while I was on vacation. It was cold and dark in Alaska, but the skiing was fun. So were the cool early Christmas presents. I didn't get the SAW, though.

I applaud the idea. I encourage the idea. Whether you go with an online system or cards--it's a great idea.

...It won't work. For many reasons. I can remember my first GWS paintball player card. Seemed like a great idea then. Didn't work.

The trick is in keeping it going. The followup is where it falls down (get it? followup/falls down) to constant upkeep. Someone has to do the data entry to keep the system current. Who's going to run the system? For years? Sure, you'll get tons of volunteers to help you now, when it's a new idea. But in 3 years, they'll all have quit, joined the army, got married and had rugrats, or crawled into a bottle. Where will the system be then?

Yes, I'm pessimistic. I'm pessimistic, though, because I understand people. I hope this works and I'll support it, for whatever that's worth, in hopes that it does work. Can I be a pessimist and an optimist at the same time?

[Snowman]

Catch, the only issue I see with a points system is that there are those who could be deemed alright, but are unable to attend games that often due to the fact that the drive is a killer. Ie, it would take forever to build up points.

[Cap n pickles]

Can I be a pessimist and an optimist at the same time?

Yes you can.

You are right Orge,i must agree with you.

Besides, Optimist's are all about doing it right!

[Tactical Church]

From now on my games are only for people that have 5 stars above thier avatar. except sleepy If you don't have 5 stars don't bother coming


all sarcasm

this is a pretty immature reaction to all this

[Catch22]

From now on my games are only for people that have 5 stars above thier avatar. except sleepy If you don't have 5 stars don't bother coming


all sarcasm

this is a pretty immature reaction to all this

hey crutch... since you didn't pay attention

all sarcasm

[Matt]

The trick is in keeping it going. The followup is where it falls down (get it? followup/falls down) to constant upkeep. Someone has to do the data entry to keep the system current. Who's going to run the system? For years? Sure, you'll get tons of volunteers to help you now, when it's a new idea. But in 3 years, they'll all have quit, joined the army, got married and had rugrats, or crawled into a bottle. Where will the system be then?

Yes, I'm pessimistic. I'm pessimistic, though, because I understand people. I hope this works and I'll support it, for whatever that's worth, in hopes that it does work. Can I be a pessimist and an optimist at the same time?

I think a lot of this has to do with the incentives. If there's no incentive to keep it going, people will get burnt out and eventually it will die. There seems to be 2 sides to the debate. Those who think it should all be free, and those who want to pay for a service (and expect quality in return).

Whether it's evil or not, people are motivated by money. Nobody wants to put a full time job's worth of effort into something for absolutely no return. And if they do, they'll get tired of it in 6 months to 2 years. This is not charity work. We aren't feeding homeless people in a soup kitchen here, Airsoft is a growing industry and there's lots of commercial business out there. The more we try to stay underground, the more outside forces will step in and control things. I'm damned surprised there's not already a national league out there and we aren't all forced to play by their rules, luckily there's just a bunch of failed attempts.

Apathy won't change it. We'll keep having the same problems.

[john boy]

From now on my games are only for people that have 5 stars above thier avatar. except sleepy If you don't have 5 stars don't bother coming


all sarcasm

That sucks...;(

[Steve]

I think a paid league is a good idea.

Here's what I would like to see:
1: New Players
a. Training events for new players at low / no cost to attendees. Admins, trainers, and support staff are volunteers from within the ranks of established members of the community. Camp out the night before, play the next day. Cover the cost of these events with donations, raffle tickets, or membership fees.
b. Events and skirmishes for younger players AND THEIR PARENTS, again using established community members as admins and support. Show the parents what their kids are getting into.

2: League-specific events
a: Holiday events where league members can get together to play in member-only games
b: Multi-game days. Short scenarios broken up by age bracket. Figure people will spend an hour running a scenario, and an hour watching the kids run the same scenario, then move on to the next scenario. Rinse and repeat. Shorter duration games, with the younger players being able to watch how the old folks did it and ape their performance.

3: All-star games
a: League-specific teams set up with a "draft" system once a quarter or so. Rotate teams each event. This breaks up existing organization structures and encourages folks to meet and mingle with strangers within the sport.

4: Member-specific historical data archives.
a: List games that players registered for, games players actually attended, leadership role held (if any, such as fire team leader, admin, or CO) and include a column for merits / demerits per game. Allow event promoters that are members of the league to access this data.
b: Allow members to "vote" on other players' behavior, positively / negatively. Keep a running tally of the totals within the last month, three months, year, and lifetime.

5: Member options on forums:
a: Allow users to selectively block posts from users (for example, if KA-BAR wanted to ignore all posts from me, he could click a box next to one of my posts and it would hide all posts from me, or show that there was a post, but he would have to click on a button to show that post).
b: Allow members to vote + or - on individual posts. When a post reaches a certain threshhold it is either disemvoweled, hidden, or deleted altogether. This lets the community police itself. Limit this to members as a bonus to stay a member.

[Tombstone]

Apathy won't change it. We'll keep having the same problems.

After 10 pages of pessimism, sarcasm, and old-geezer bah-humbugging, this is where we have to start.

It's cliche'd, but all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Before I left I heard no end of bitching about hackers and shit games, but whenever somebody wants to step up and do something about it, everybody gets a hair in there a$$ because they are afraid of change. It's really kinda pathetic.

I think a laminated picture ID, presented at the event, would in itself weed out alot of attitudes I'd rather not have at any game. Even the guys who are good honorable players, if they managed to make it to the event without their wallet, or just dont care enough to bring the card with them, what's my guarantee they wont take that lazy attitude onto the field?

[Deliverator]

A league, no matter how small or large or limited or expansive, costs money. Materials, web space, database maintenance, and all those poor bastards that have to do the usual upkeep to make it all go cost money. No matter what we do with a league or no league there will be open enrollment games available too.

I like the idea of the cards. I was thinking maybe RFID cards linked to an online profile. You show up to a league game, they scan your card, your info pops up, they see your picture and it registers you as attending the event. RFID cards are pretty inexpensive and they last pretty much forever.

[KA-BAR]

admin training?

i went to the BSP scorers course two days in a row. i got a chance to see how Bill and Adam run things. ever since they have always trusted me to be a fair and partial admin.

i have been a player admin for atleast 6 or 7 games/skirms.

i think what it boils down to is people trust the word of valued and honest members of this community.

although i maybe a asshat on the forums, my onfields sportsmanship is usually never questioned for the fact that i leave no room for error. i call my hits and take my walk of shame back to spawn, come back and hopefully find you in the same spot and shoot yer a$$. the formula for fun in airsoft and good sportsmanship is really that easy.


now if you are going to train admins, and thye are going to take the time to make the game fun, safe and honest..... then you better be paying them some money. i know a few promoters who do take very good care of thier admins.

riddick aka Rick Fisher has always treated me fairly and as a friend. i am always welcome to his games, and when he needs extra on field help i always put my best foot forward to help him make his games that much more enjoyable. he pays what he can to me, mostly he gives me free admission to his games providing that i admin a game for him for free.

you want good quality admining at events. this is the way to get it done.

i for one would be happy to assist any event promoter in getting a admining core up and online. but also realize.... i like playing too.