War on Terrorism

[Zahrdoz]

Excuse me why did you say the war on terror is an "excuse for afghanistan' or more importantly, 'finishing the work that was done during desert storm' I believe this is the IRAQI CAMPAIGN, not just the WAR ON TERROR, because both the Afghan campaign and the Iraqi campaing are part of the broader WAR ON TERROR campaign. Is it not simple enough?

Are you referring to the poll questions? If so, these questions are formulated to gauge a response, regardless of the wording. Most of us are well aware of the big picture and quite a few of us are veterens of those wars. This is nothing more than an anthropological survey that is limited by the number of questions that this forum allows on polls.

Some people do believe that the the Iraqi campaing, technicly the third gulf war, is nothing more than finishing the job from Deseert Storm, or; Revenge for daddy or; To draw critiscism away from afghanastan... blah blah blah.

People believe many things and just because one person says something it may not be how they really fell, but rather an attempt to get a reaction out of someone. I.E. DMITRI.. (Isn't that right Ben?) So as Seagreen said to Soyouz, welcome to the wonderfull world of AP.... Make sure you have boots that are rated for walking in BS.....

[Bosshog]

dont people do that in the general forums usually?

[Catch22]

shazaam the war on terrorism. We need to fight the war on Euroism!

[Nightshade]

f**k the war on terrorism. We need to fight the war on Euroism!

That too. DOWN WITH EUROPE...


...but Germany is cool. They have good food, beer, women, guns and cars. They may stay.

[CharlesAFerg]

Excuse me why did you say the war on terror is an "excuse for afghanistan' or more importantly, 'finishing the work that was done during desert storm' I believe this is the IRAQI CAMPAIGN, not just the WAR ON TERROR, because both the Afghan campaign and the Iraqi campaing are part of the broader WAR ON TERROR campaign. Is it not simple enough?

Are you referring to the poll questions? If so, these questions are formulated to gauge a response, regardless of the wording. Most of us are well aware of the big picture and quite a few of us are veterens of those wars. This is nothing more than an anthropological survey that is limited by the number of questions that this forum allows on polls.

Some people do believe that the the Iraqi campaing, technicly the third gulf war, is nothing more than finishing the job from Deseert Storm, or; Revenge for daddy or; To draw critiscism away from afghanastan... blah blah blah.

People believe many things and just because one person says something it may not be how they really fell, but rather an attempt to get a reaction out of someone. I.E. DMITRI.. (Isn't that right Ben?) So as Seagreen said to Soyouz, welcome to the wonderfull world of AP.... Make sure you have boots that are rated for walking in BS.....

Oh, I know I was making a clarification, I don't believe you guys know my views on the war, actually maybe some of you do, but I have done my research and that was in no way supposed to sway one way or the other.
I was only clarifying that the terms could be confused if they were not represented correctly.

I agree with you totally, and yes I can see Bill saying that (great guy).

Lastly, I am very familiar with Ben. I learned much from years of...educational conversation.
Why do you think I'm still around?

PS- If Ben is still reading this, does he still have the beamer?

[Eyes On]

f**k the war on terrorism. We need to fight the war on Euroism!

That too. DOWN WITH EUROPE...


...but Germany is cool. They have good food, beer, women, guns and cars. They may stay.

Nah, shazaam them too. shazaam em all.

[Zahrdoz]

European economy and politics.... shall we spar on this one? OR how the American mindset is causing more negative issues and problems in the world and it seens that the Europeans are the ones that are trying to keep together what we insist on bleeding up.... Or rather, maybe we shoudl just pursue and isolationist agenda and ignore everybody....

[Catch22]

The euros are just mad because we aren't a bunch of fag loving, tree huging, socialists, and we still have a great military that can kick a$$. Every bomb we drop reminds them of thier shame of being pussified.

"Oh we can't go to war. Let's just sit arround and talk, and talk, and talk. If that dosen't work lets just pay some kickbacks and ignore the problem."

[Zahrdoz]

The euros are just mad because we aren't a bunch of fag loving, tree huging, socialists,

HEHE.. Look around Kevin... the socs are all around.... as are the true hugging whale lovers.

Green Peace
PETA
Sierra Club
American Communist Party

(Gah... )

Seriously you cant bunch all of Europe together becasue not all countries share the same views.... As for Phrance... Dont we need a Phrance Size staging area over there?
DO ya think that a squad of marines would make em all surrender?

[Eyes On]

European economy and politics.... shall we spar on this one? OR how the American mindset is causing more negative issues and problems in the world and it seens that the Europeans are the ones that are trying to keep together what we insist on bleeding up.... Or rather, maybe we shoudl just pursue and isolationist agenda and ignore everybody....

The "european economy" is on the verge of collapse. Germany and phrance have double digit unemployment, a non-means-tested real tax rate in excess of 50% with a means-applied rate of more than 60% for those who actually contribute to the economy. Italy is not too far behind, and eastern europe is still dealing with the transition from communism to democracy. Western Europes economic inefficiencies (inherent in a socialist system) have Germany, phrance, and Spain in an untenable fiscal position where a slight breeze can knock the whole economy down.

Three years ago I predicted that within ten years the economies of europe were going to be completely in the toilet barring some extraordinary good fortune. I'm standing behind that prediction, but I think I could safely cut two or three years off of that timeline.

Now with that in mind, and the fact that as Kevin stated, all the europeans want to do is talk talk talk and not actually DO anything substative: What exactly is europe "keeping together" other than existing sources of aggrevation?

[Zahrdoz]

Then, if I plug in what you say to the social and cultural formulaes that I use, we will get extreme regional polarization as the ecomy begins to falter. In that case Europe will become less united than before. There are also the transitional rates, in regards to cross country worker migration that would also increase this trend. You are the economist, its my job to take your numbers and figure out the cultural and social trends. (see Transition Probability Matrix)

AHH.. here is something interesting

"Unemployment is high in the four largest economies of Continental Western Europe, namely France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Exclude these four countries and the famous European unemployment problem more or less disappearsâ€

[Eyes On]

Look to the referendum...l or rather the recent failure of the referendum on the EU Constitution. Simply put, it was too alltruistic for a group of people more into socialism for the "free" goodies than they are for its underlying theoretical foundation. If the people of phrance are not willing to make sacrifices for the good of all, then how are the others supposed to be expected to sacrifice for the others either and vise-versa. The only nations that have ratified the constitution have done so through parlimentary action, not through popular vote.

Each nation wants the plum benefits (high tech jobs, high margin industries etc...) and expect the others to take the minor fruits like assembly jobs etc... It can not work like that.

I don't see where the mass migrations come in to play outside of each nations borders. What I DO see is each individual nation attempting to get one over on the others within the union until either one nation dominates the others by proxy or they are literally and figuratively at each others throats (again).

[GungHo06]

i sopport bush and the war in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i know some marines in Iraq that are kicking some serius a$$!!!! lol

[Wood Duck]

f**k the war on terrorism. We need to fight the war on Euroism!

That too. DOWN WITH EUROPE...


...but Germany is cool. They have good food, beer, women, guns and cars. They may stay.

Nah, f**k them too. f**k em all.

I can't stand this american centralization. we're grossly outnumbered so why would we ever try to compete with every one. you can hate a country' government, economy, and culture, but that dosent mean you go to war in the long run we'll lose big time (Watch out for China)

[Eyes On]

I'll try to keep that in mind

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