Who wants ER-Hop? YOU DO.

[Vega]

plus, if i was to o it, all i would be able to do it on is my stubby which is 275 fps and marui mp5k which is 285fps. so i would want the purple bucking instead of the red bucking. also, i would need to install my guarder cylinder on my marui unless they have 110mm inner barrels for this offer.

[Evil Zergling137]

Still looks like a scam to me.

[league 4]

Still looks like a scam to me.

Seriously? The 20+ people on forums around the world that ALL say it works isn't enough proof for you? Do you think LRBs in classics are a scam too?

[Minerva]

plus, if i was to o it, all i would be able to do it on is my stubby which is 275 fps and marui mp5k which is 285fps. so i would want the purple bucking instead of the red bucking. also, i would need to install my guarder cylinder on my marui unless they have 110mm inner barrels for this offer.

Well if you are running those, you probably play a whole lot of CQB, something a normal hop would work just fine for. IF you have a DMR on the other hand... This is this best thing on the market.

And yes the barrels come in ANY flavor

Still looks like a scam to me.

Cool, then don't waste anybodies time by sharing your asinine opinions.

[Vega]

Well, I like having accuracy. Any cqb gun is my field gun. I sneak up on them

[Evil Zergling137]

Still looks like a scam to me.

Seriously? The 20+ people on forums around the world that ALL say it works isn't enough proof for you? Do you think LRBs in classics are a scam too?

If you are getting results similar to what the guy calculated here:
http://mackila.com/airsoft/ATP/
then I don't think it is realistic to expect improvements.

The guy pushing this created some term 'transaxle spin' or wobble. I don't see any physics to back that up.

Better hopups can give you more consistent shots & lift heavier bb's - but they do not have an impact on the bb after it leaves the gun. They can not reduce friction through the air or change angular momentum.

If your hopup is sufficiently lifting your bb - which all good ones will - then how could this improve it?

long range barrels on classics were curved so that the bb ran against the barrel and created the angular momentum necessary for the hopup effect.

The designer kind of has a thing against posting "proof" videos

Not many larger red flags than that.

so yeah, scam.

[Jester316]

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Standing 200ft away from someone and lobbing bb's in their general direction doesn't really count as "sneaking up on them"...

[Vega]

Idk what your talking about, maybe you saw me once but that's how I play. I've only seen you admin so you can't even say anything, your probably embarrassed

[league 4]

Still looks like a scam to me.

Seriously? The 20+ people on forums around the world that ALL say it works isn't enough proof for you? Do you think LRBs in classics are a scam too?

If you are getting results similar to what the guy calculated here:
http://mackila.com/airsoft/ATP/
then I don't think it is realistic to expect improvements.

The guy pushing this created some term 'transaxle spin' or wobble. I don't see any physics to back that up.

Better hopups can give you more consistent shots & lift heavier bb's - but they do not have an impact on the bb after it leaves the gun. They can not reduce friction through the air or change angular momentum.

If your hopup is sufficiently lifting your bb - which all good ones will - then how could this improve it?

long range barrels on classics were curved so that the bb ran against the barrel and created the angular momentum necessary for the hopup effect.

The designer kind of has a thing against posting "proof" videos

Not many larger red flags than that.

so yeah, scam.

Who the f**k cares how it works? The point is, it does. Period. If you want to go on ASM and ASF, and post that it doesn't, go ahead and get proved wrong because I'm not wasting my time. If you're too ignorant to realize that this isn't even a new concept and even classics with LRBs have been getting shots out to 300' for over a decade, then go ahead and install one yourself and if it doesn't work, then tell everyone else that has one that works for them that they're dumb and don't know how far away anything is.

[Minerva]

In fact, as soon as HS5 comes back from a secretive excursion (lol) I'll try and have him come here and give you a talking to. He'd be able to explain shit a lot better then I could.. Or you could you know.. Read the thread on AM..

[Evil Zergling137]

Who the f**k cares how it works? The point is, it does. Period. If you want to go on ASM and ASF, and post that it doesn't, go ahead and get proved wrong because I'm not wasting my time. If you're too ignorant to realize that this isn't even a new concept and even classics with LRBs have been getting shots out to 300' for over a decade, then go ahead and install one yourself and if it doesn't work, then tell everyone else that has one that works for them that they're dumb and don't know how far away anything is.

So post some proof videos! LOL. Anyone can get a bb out to 300ft with a high enough fps gun and a heavy enough bb. I mean really, this thread has a video of a low powered gun getting out to 55m, all of my guns at that power with the hopup set high get out to that range. That is normal.

In fact, as soon as HS5 comes back from a secretive excursion (lol) I'll try and have him come here and give you a talking to. He'd be able to explain shit a lot better then I could.. Or you could you know.. Read the thread on AM..

I read their threads a few weeks ago, its all garbage. Can't defeat gravity. Can't invent terms that don't exist and expect everyone to believe it. If a top has enough angular momentum it will spin correctly. If it doesn't then it won't. it does not matter if it got it quickly or over a longer period of time.

My R-hop does not produce the oval shaped, or vertical skew, that a "flat hop" or regular hop with SCS would do. Shredder himself recommended that a mod akin to what people now called the flat hop (flat hop is just the latest name for a mod which is 5-8 years old, and I find it a bit amusing watching everyone here reinvent the wheel for the hundredth time) where you remove the hop mound and rotate the bucking to work in conjunction with the SCS nub in order to better produce the bb contour. The problem with that system is that there is on give. There is almost no rubber anywhere in there and its all being held in rigid plastic. Also, given that the SCS is round, the length of contact is extremely short. Your spin is therefore on axis but inconsistent in velocity so you get that vertical skew. The R-hop can use a wide variety of different nubs to press down, including the SCS, mainly because very minimal downward pressure is applied when installed properly. I do recommend a soft and long nub like a firefly rather than a short and hard one like an SCS. Honestly with an R-hop you'd be better off with a regular soft round nub than an SCS. What makes the R-hop special is that its already contoured to the shape of the bb, it protrudes as far around the barrel as possible, and is as long as the barrel window will allow. As a result spin is applied much more slowly. You see normally, with all these systems except the flat hop, the length of the contact patch is extremely short. so the downward force must be very high and the spin must be applied to the bb very rapidly. What makes the "Flat hop" which evolved into the G-hop, which applied into the HE G-hop, which evolved into the R-hop which evolved into the ER-hop (each being superior to its predecessor) is that the contact with the bb is much longer than on the hop mound (lump in a normal hop bucking). This longer slower acceleration allows spin to be applied much more gently and stably to the bb producing more stable spin...... and this is where we enter into the realm of theory. Lets start with the top theory. The top theory is that if you were to spin a top (we're talking about the child's gyroscopic toy here) the more stably the spin is applied the more smoothly the top will spin. The G-hop, R-hop, etc are like slowly but firmly spinning the top between your two fingers. If you do this the top will spin smoothly and on axis. Spin imparted by the hop mound can be likened to spin applied to the top by flicking its rim with your finger. The result will almost always be spin which is off the top's central axis and so it will appear to wobble and its spin velocity will be much less consistent. Reports from the field support this. People who've used my R-hop, even under severe over-hop conditions, report that the bbs will fly skyward but will all come down to land in the same spot. Similarly groupings are very tight because your spin will be consistent and on-axis when you have it tuned properly. Now though we have to delve into the realm of even crazier theory to explain an observed phenomenon: extended range. You see with the G-hop and now the R-hop we have a great deal of evidence showing that not only does this system make your rifle more accurate, but actually extends the distance the bbs will travel and their flight pattern. This is puzzling because, superficially, this seems impossible. I myself refused to accept it for the longest time because I couldn't come up with an explanation for it. Here is my theory though: when the bb passes the mound to have spin imparted its actually not rotating around its center, its being forced to rotate around an axis above its center. This would cause a tendency to reorient a bb to bring its center of mass, which doesn't exist at its geometric center, in line with its center of rotation. While this may not fully be possible it will create a tendency for the bb to find an axis of rotation which coincides with a center of mass as far from the geometric center as possible. This will create a "vibration" or "wobble" in air which will increase its presented surface area to the air when flying that should increase drag and decrease range as well as reducing accuracy of course. Contrary to this a longer and slower system of imparting spin like the R or G-hop attempts to force the bb to rotate around its geometric center giving it the tendency to find an axis of rotation which as best as possible causes the geometric center to its center of mass or rotational center. This reduces this wobble or vibration in air allowing reduced drag and increased flight distance. In theory it will also allow for the longer flatter trajectories we've witnessed.
THIS is the best theory I have as to why the R-hop actually, without adding any more velocity either forward or rotational, increased the distance a bb will fly by a significant margin.

The red text being that which is the most... funny.

[league 4]

I didn't do the mod, I have no need for much more range.

[McNair]

Christ, fuckin' little fan boys.
"Who cares how it works!" what? A PERSON PURCHASING A PRODUCT CARES HOW IT WORKS. That's pretty normal. Some people don't take shit at face value. And the fact that the guy refuses to post "proof" videos, that alone had me ignore anything further when I first read this thread.

You guys sound like a bunch of bible thumping christians. When questioned, you just get defensive and offer no valid answers or explanations.
Might as well call this the Jesus Hop up.

People are allowed to post their "asinine opinions" on threads that are about a product being sold.

[Evil Zergling137]

Jesus Hop up.

That is a perfect name for this

[league 4]

Or you can do it yourself for like $3 and not really have to buy anything, he's offering to cut the barrel so that it fits because most people don't have the material or the skill to cut a steel barrel with any precision. NOT marketing a new product. When I buy an xbox, do I know or care how it works? No. When I buy a cell phone, do I know or care how it works? No. Hell, when I buy a clock, do I know how it works? No, and I don't care. Do you know how a MOSFET works? I sure don't, but I use them. I'm not a "fanboy" of these modifications, I don't even use them, I've just seen them work and know they do. At the VERY LEAST, think of it as a more effective way to allow heavier bb's to go farther.