US Custom's Seizes "Machine Guns"

[Steve]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

They don't have to last long to kill a person. Just making a point on a rather unrelated note. Someone could make a gun out of abs plastic (I don't even think it works) bring it on an Airplane and bring off a few shots, it might not last long but it sure as hell will kill a person. I am not saying the WE is capable of that.

There are so many things wrong with this that I do not know where to start. Please, someone with a much higher shitbird tolerance, take a few moments and politely explain to this youth how badly he just screwed the pooch.

Thanks.

[k3gn3123512]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

They don't have to last long to kill a person. Just making a point on a rather unrelated note. Someone could make a gun out of abs plastic (I don't even think it works) bring it on an Airplane and bring off a few shots, it might not last long but it sure as hell will kill a person. I am not saying the WE is capable of that.

There are so many things wrong with this that I do not know where to start. Please, someone with a much higher shitbird tolerance, take a few moments and politely explain to this youth how badly he just screwed the pooch.

Thanks.

I know that ABS plastic will not be able to withstand the shot of a gun. And reading it again i realize that the gun will go off through a airport scan because of the firing mechanism of the gun will have to be metal to be even capable of firing. I apologize for making this rather unfitting example. Happy I save you a rant here.

[Colosseum]

It's really surprising to me that airsoft isn't regulated and controlled like it is everywhere else. Thank Christ it isn't. I think people in the US are far more tolerant of firearms (2nd Amendment etc) in the US than anywhere else.

Thank God for the Founding Fathers and the United States Constitution. Without it we probably wouldn't be able to shoot BBs at one another.

e: KingNikan's from Neu Jersey, doesn't surprise me that he's the one making silly firearms-related comments.

Isn't just about every type of firearm illegal there? I know that whenever I buy bulk military surplus ammo I can never have it shipped to NJ, NY, MA, CT etc. Thank God I live in Texas!

[Junto]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

I don't think it has honestly. There would be documentation somewhere, and a supposed email isn't going to convince me. The ATF claimed that they hadn't seen these before, WE TTI claimed that it hadn't been done, and there isn't anything solid on the net but forum commandos stating it been accomplished.

The gunsmith we had look at these found that the upper of a AR15 would fit onto the lower of the WE TTI M4 (we all knew this), he also said that the trigger pack fit into the lower of the WE, but he said that only one of the two pins that retain the AR15 trigger pack fit, and that the hammer wasn't operable with the WE TTI lower. that is unless you had a precise tooling system that and knew the specific measurements to drill and tap the WE lower.

We're looking into court evidence now about what is defined as "readily convertible"

Thank you for being so proactive, Ben. This is something that someone with the ability to do so should have done a while ago.

[Martin.]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

I don't think it has honestly. There would be documentation somewhere, and a supposed email isn't going to convince me. The ATF claimed that they hadn't seen these before, WE TTI claimed that it hadn't been done, and there isn't anything solid on the net but forum commandos stating it been accomplished.

The gunsmith we had look at these found that the upper of a AR15 would fit onto the lower of the WE TTI M4 (we all knew this), he also said that the trigger pack fit into the lower of the WE, but he said that only one of the two pins that retain the AR15 trigger pack fit, and that the hammer wasn't operable with the WE TTI lower. that is unless you had a precise tooling system that and knew the specific measurements to drill and tap the WE lower.

We're looking into court evidence now about what is defined as "readily convertible"

Thank you for being so proactive, Ben. This is something that someone with the ability to do so should have done a while ago.

thanks for the support, we really hope that some good things happen from this not only for us, but for the community and industry as a whole.

[LiquidSnak]

Just because its not easy doesn't mean it cannot be done. Good on ya for looking up readily convertible, I'm fairly certain that precision machine drilling a hole and tapping it will not be covered.

[Raging Hormann]

I held one of these today. To quote what Steve said earlier, anyone who racks this will immediately know it's fake.
Not only that, but just drop the mag, and or look inside the receiver. Fake.

@King/Steve: POM? and Ceramic? Could you make a firing mechanism out of ceramic and fire low-load bullets with a POM everything else?

Just tossing this idea out there, completely made up on the spot.

[wake.joe]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

They don't have to last long to kill a person. Just making a point on a rather unrelated note. Someone could make a gun out of abs plastic (I don't even think it works) bring it on an Airplane and bring off a few shots, it might not last long but it sure as hell will kill a person. I am not saying the WE is capable of that.

You realize the bullet/casing/primers alone are metals, right?

[lilwil]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

They don't have to last long to kill a person. Just making a point on a rather unrelated note. Someone could make a gun out of abs plastic (I don't even think it works) bring it on an Airplane and bring off a few shots, it might not last long but it sure as hell will kill a person. I am not saying the WE is capable of that.

You realize the bullet/casing/primers alone are metals, right?

You realize that not all bullet/casing/primers are made of metal, right?

[wake.joe]

It's not that they look the same, it's that it "can be converted to a real firearm".

It's been done, they dont last very long, but its been done.

They don't have to last long to kill a person. Just making a point on a rather unrelated note. Someone could make a gun out of abs plastic (I don't even think it works) bring it on an Airplane and bring off a few shots, it might not last long but it sure as hell will kill a person. I am not saying the WE is capable of that.

You realize the bullet/casing/primers alone are metals, right?

You realize that not all bullet/casing/primers are made of metal, right?

Gee, my mistake. Sigh. I'm so dumb.

[Fury_NG]

What is so absurd about the whole article is the fact with the right parts and tooling, I could convert just about anything to a machine gun. Hell, I could pull my engine out of my car and convert that to a machine gun! What makes it worse is the fact that the news agency fail to investigate what they report and claim they are only reporting what was released to them. They are just as guilty as Customs for perpetuating false and misleading information. The only basis that Custom's has for seizing the rifles is the fact that they failed to have the required orange tip. Stupid in my opinion but it's the law and we must respect that. I'm happy to see the owner of Airsoft Outlet take the time to educate and bring the facts out to the general public! I can only hope that with continued work from all of us who enjoy the sport of Airsoft, that we can put an end to this deception before people get on a band wagon and try to ban Airsoft all together. And for all of you who have posted that someone HAS converted an airsoft rifle to fire real ammo, I ask the you show proof of this before any more discussion is wasted on this RUMOR because you are not helping this issue one bit! I find it very hard to believe that someone with the skill or knowledge to actually attempt this conversion, would do so. The time, skill,materials and money required to even attempt this would not be practical and in no way would the final product even resemble an Arisoft rifle. Please people, be mindful of what you post about this issue. We are not the only ones reading these forums!

[Patrick750]

one more idiot than airsoft750.

What is so absurd about the whole article is the fact with the right parts and tooling, I could convert just about anything to a machine gun.

i made a cardboard cut out of an m4 for a school thing. why aren't they confiscating that?

[lilwil]

one more idiot than airsoft750.

What is so absurd about the whole article is the fact with the right parts and tooling, I could convert just about anything to a machine gun.

i made a cardboard cut out of an m4 for a school thing. why aren't they confiscating that?

I think your missing the point of that guys post. He is pointing out the flaws in the lazy reporters, not just stating that a lot of mechanical items can be converted into firearms.

And if you want to get technical like that, then in some cities the ordinances are so broad that if you threw that cardboard cut-out at someone, it would be considered a firearm. This is what happens when you let women vote.

[k3gn3123512]

e: KingNikan's from Neu Jersey, doesn't surprise me that he's the one making silly firearms-related comments.
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I realized the mistake, and I fixed it. Point beside that.

[MuGGzy]

Agh, I just read the comment about the chinese.... How can some people live with their heads in that mindset?

LOL did you not see the HUGE Sarah Palin rallies, there are morons all around us, be afraid, be VERY afraid.