US Custom's Seizes "Machine Guns"

[Raging Hormann]

Then most people are RETARDED.

You could claim the same thing with squirt guns spray painted black.

AGREED.

This is the depressing fact of the American public today.

Anyone with experience with real AR's who picks up one of these and racks the bolt will know that it isn't real.

But shame on them for not having orange tips.

[Jewish Ninja]

Then most people are RETARDED.

You could claim the same thing with squirt guns spray painted black.

AGREED.

This is the depressing fact of the American public today.

Anyone with experience with real AR's who picks up one of these and racks the bolt will know that it isn't real.

But shame on them for not having orange tips.

To be fair, it looks like the guns that they seized were the AGM GBB M4s, so it'd look a hell of a lot more like a real gun than an AEG.

[Octose]

Okay. China poisons our kids toys, makes lead filled jewelry, kills babies with tainted milk, makes the worst cars in all the land, and now supplies harmful weapons to US gang members, or worse? Does anyone else see the need for some stronger foreign relations here? WalMart? You listening? This article should have been tagged..."Chinese Still Trying to Kill Americans"
LOLOLOL


EDIT: This is a comment on Komo.

[~Thunder~]

- 1 faith in humanity

Yeah, that about sums up my thoughts...

[Archangel 06]

- 1 faith in humanity

Yeah, that about sums up my thoughts...

That's why we're here - we are the only form of sense they might see, so let's not screw it up.

Edit:

these airsoft guns could have been headed for canada where you don't need an orange tip, just a thought...

You don't NEED an orange tip here, either. Just to import them. It's illegal to even import black airsoft guns to Canada, so I don't thing they give a flying fig about an orange tip.

[Junto]

The more I read, the more I rage. Kinda want to bonk every idiot that responded, the ATF agents, the customs people, and the reporter with one of those Mark McGwire toy bats and put a dunce hat on them.

[Jewish Ninja]

Its far more effective if you bonk them with a flaming shovel Junto... Especially if you do it many times in the face.

[Riddick]

To be fair, it looks like the guns that they seized were the AGM GBB M4s, so it'd look a hell of a lot more like a real gun than an AEG.

No they are the WE M4 CQBR

You guys are missing the point. The point is that these replicas can accept real steel internals and thus be converted to fire a real bullet. Who knows if it would withstand the forces from firing the round but the simple fact here is that they can be converted and the other replicas we play with cannot. Thus it makes these illegal to import until they change the dimensions.

[Norseman]

To be fair, it looks like the guns that they seized were the AGM GBB M4s, so it'd look a hell of a lot more like a real gun than an AEG.

No they are the WE M4 CQBR

You guys are missing the point. The point is that these replicas can accept real steel internals and thus be converted to fire a real bullet. Who knows if it would withstand the forces from firing the round but the simple fact here is that they can be converted and the other replicas we play with cannot. Thus it makes these illegal to import until they change the dimensions.

I believe the key issue is that you can mount a real steel upper onto the WE lower receiver.

And since the BATF recognizes the lower receiver as the "gun", they are considered illegal receivers. And if the trigger group has a full auto function? Double trouble.

Also, although not directed at Riddick, since the upper receiver is handling all the CUP.

CUP = http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

It's a non issue that the LOWER receiver is airsoft, so long as the upper receiver is real. Basically all the airsoft rifle is supplying to the frankenstein affair is a trigger group (bolt catch) and a magazine catch latch. It's not supplying the bolt, barrel, nor the chamber, which is the parts that need to hold up under pressure of the cartridge being fired.

So theoretically you could buy M4 upper and bolt by mail order (no ffl) and a airsoft WE M4. And mate the upper and lower receiver and not only have a REAL rifle? But a full auto one to boot.........

I can understand why the BATF is a little nervous.

[Jewish Ninja]

I thought WE changed the specs on the guns to make the ATF happy and so they wouldn't work with RS bits?

[KA-BAR]

To be fair, it looks like the guns that they seized were the AGM GBB M4s, so it'd look a hell of a lot more like a real gun than an AEG.

No they are the WE M4 CQBR

You guys are missing the point. The point is that these replicas can accept real steel internals and thus be converted to fire a real bullet. Who knows if it would withstand the forces from firing the round but the simple fact here is that they can be converted and the other replicas we play with cannot. Thus it makes these illegal to import until they change the dimensions.

I believe the key issue is that you can mount a real steel upper onto the WE lower receiver.

And since the BATF recognizes the lower receiver as the "gun", they are considered illegal receivers. And if the trigger group has a full auto function? Double trouble.

Also, although not directed at Riddick, since the upper receiver is handling all the CUP.

CUP = http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

It's a non issue that the LOWER receiver is airsoft, so long as the upper receiver is real. Basically all the airsoft rifle is supplying to the frankenstein affair is a trigger group (bolt catch) and a magazine catch latch. It's not supplying the bolt, barrel, nor the chamber, which is the parts that need to hold up under pressure of the cartridge being fired.

So theoretically you could buy M4 upper and bolt by mail order (no ffl) and a airsoft WE M4. And mate the upper and lower receiver and not only have a REAL rifle? But a full auto one to boot.........

I can understand why the BATF is a little nervous.

holy shit, this.


so how long will it be that the existing ones will become illegal to own?

[Raging Hormann]

That's crazy.

So crazy, I don't want to be the one to find out that it works.

[Norseman]

To be fair, it looks like the guns that they seized were the AGM GBB M4s, so it'd look a hell of a lot more like a real gun than an AEG.

No they are the WE M4 CQBR

You guys are missing the point. The point is that these replicas can accept real steel internals and thus be converted to fire a real bullet. Who knows if it would withstand the forces from firing the round but the simple fact here is that they can be converted and the other replicas we play with cannot. Thus it makes these illegal to import until they change the dimensions.

I believe the key issue is that you can mount a real steel upper onto the WE lower receiver.

And since the BATF recognizes the lower receiver as the "gun", they are considered illegal receivers. And if the trigger group has a full auto function? Double trouble.

Also, although not directed at Riddick, since the upper receiver is handling all the CUP.

CUP = http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

It's a non issue that the LOWER receiver is airsoft, so long as the upper receiver is real. Basically all the airsoft rifle is supplying to the frankenstein affair is a trigger group (bolt catch) and a magazine catch latch. It's not supplying the bolt, barrel, nor the chamber, which is the parts that need to hold up under pressure of the cartridge being fired.

So theoretically you could buy M4 upper and bolt by mail order (no ffl) and a airsoft WE M4. And mate the upper and lower receiver and not only have a REAL rifle? But a full auto one to boot.........

I can understand why the BATF is a little nervous.

holy shit, this.


so how long will it be that the existing ones will become illegal to own?

I'am sure they already are technically speaking.

I doubt they will be rounding up airsofters any time soon.

But if you got caught with the frankenstien affair above? I think it would be safe to say you could kiss your a$$ goodbye.

Remember Spokane Airsoft's BATF letter on silencers awhile back?

http://www.spokaneairsoft.com/archives/ ... sc&start=0

I thought WE changed the specs on the guns to make the ATF happy and so they wouldn't work with RS bits?

Do you have anything to collaborate that claim? I mean that would be great, but then why the seizure if true?

[Archangel 06]

Ok, I know this is a little off-topic, but that letter above has me asking some questions. Are Airsoft GI, Airsoft Outlet NW, and other airsoft retailers selling us items that are truly illegal? I really want to know, because I was looking at purchasing a gas pistol that came with a "barrel extension" that looks like a silencer.

[Raging Hormann]

It's all been answered before, they know the laws, and they only sell what they purchase in wholesale as Barrel Extensions.

There was a lot of debate on this a couple years ago, I remember it well.