Ok the WE is not very accurate out of the box in fact it was unusable. It took some work to get it where it is. I'm still working on making it a decent shooter. I really like the feel and the kick of the rifle. However, if you want a real gbb that is accurate right out of the box (never touched the hop up) then the KJ Works (Tanio Koba) M4 is just insane. This show single shot, but even on full auto I can keep all the bbs in the black