field in the making

[Applegate__Airsoft]

alright thanks for the input, ill get some shovels and some friends and get to work. and ill post pictures of the field when is finished

anyone know where i should buy sand bags?

sheet metal is not a problem for me beacuse my dad has a company that deals with lots of metal

is two good sized buildings on each side of the field better than one vilage?

[Payback]

Looks good.


As long as you don't charge people. Your homeowners insurance will cover liability to an extent. You will still want waivers signed, and a verbal "you get hurt it's your own fault" at the start of each game type of thing. Any and most all waivers are not 100% in court. If you do something negligent then your liable, blah blah blah. But raise your homeowners coverage to make sure it covers the property.

And Trails. Cut in and clear out trails. We have a field with no buildings at all, but a very good trail system. It makes a huge difference. And at this time of year hay bails work good. But be warned, they will be crap next year, and by the end of the summer they will be filled with ants and bugs. So when you lean up against one your arm will look like that Indiana Jones movie, but they still offer good cover and are cheap, and they don't last long so your not leaving a ton of crap on your property to have to clean up years later.

[Variable]

Don't sweat building structures and stuff immediately. If you've got the field, host some small skirms and see how the terrain plays, then consider where to place any bunkers and stuff.

[Applegate__Airsoft]

Don't sweat building structures and stuff immediately. If you've got the field, host some small skirms and see how the terrain plays, then consider where to place any bunkers and stuff.

will do

[Applegate__Airsoft]

Looks good.


As long as you don't charge people. Your homeowners insurance will cover liability to an extent. You will still want waivers signed, and a verbal "you get hurt it's your own fault" at the start of each game type of thing. Any and most all waivers are not 100% in court. If you do something negligent then your liable, blah blah blah. But raise your homeowners coverage to make sure it covers the property.

so if a pallet falls over and a nail sticking out hits and cuts a guys leg, i have to pay for his stiches?

what if i do charge people to play?

[Icepick]

Before you do anything I would suggest mapping out the field. You can probably just look it up on google earth and then go edit a snapshot of it in paint. Mark the spawn areas for both teams, trails, POIs, etc.

As for structures, I would use dirt mounds as suggested and safe things like four-walled plywood structures, rock piles, logs, and barrels. The last thing I want is to be that guy who pays to play at your field and then gets a nail stuck in him.

Good luck!

[Icepick]

EDIT: Double post.

[DJ]

"so if a pallet falls over and a nail sticking out hits and cuts a guys leg, i have to pay for his stiches?"

And any other medical expenses, pain, suffering, loss of companionship and the mental trauma that resulted from the party falling victim to the vastly unsafe conditions that you knowingly created and maintained that the party fell "victim" to. Sound like BS? spend some time in a courtroom and you will not think so.
Re the insurance issue, you are a fool if you rely on a home-owners policy. At a minimum get a 1 million $ umbrella policy in addition ( not too expensive). If there is a catastrophic injury all of the waivers, verbal okey dokes are worth the paper they are printed on, that is exactly nothing. If you have assets ( property) the injured party will come a knocking and be seeking redress for your attractive nuisance that lured them into a life of pain and suffering. many people on these forums give out free legal advice and that is exactly what the advice is worth. nary a one will be standing next to you as a defendant when Phil Dirt Atty at law is seeking redress for their clients grievous pain and suffering that resulted directly from your malfeasance. You will sound brilliant when you tell the jury / judge that you are operating based on free legal advice gained from an airsoft forum.....you see my point.
The same people who are eagerly encouraging you, would sue you in a NY minute if they were injured and needed someone to pay the freight. Protect yourself and your families a$$(ets).
( Ogre, I beg you indulgence re my typing, dominant arm is in a cast right now)

Also, what is the property zoned? EFU or rural residential, It makes a difference as to what you can do with it. What usually happens in cases such as this is a neighbor gets annoyed and calls the county planning office and it goes down hill from there. Get your ducks in a row before hand. Check , but do not volunteer any info to the govt before proceeding. They will gladly offer permits ( at a fee of course) You live in a cash starved county, go slow and fly beneath the radar.

[Farmer]

the insurance can be had for less the 500$ a weekend, and can be gotten on a weekend basis. I will look into what we used to get for a game called Amtgard. We had to have 1+ million policies all the time. Amtgard is a medieval combat fantasy group.

[Transition]

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/recreate/or_rec.htm

read that... may answer a few questions, and when I ran The Farm I had insurance on it, was cheap for a few million a year.

[Jerm_G]

There are a few people on here that ran fields at one time or another. My recomendation is to find them, ask them to lunch (which YOU pay for) and pick their brains till you have your answers. To get everything done it might take a couple of times. There you go, your first lesson in starting a buisness.

[Payback]

Re the insurance issue, you are a fool if you rely on a home-owners policy. At a minimum get a 1 million $ umbrella policy in addition ( not too expensive). If there is a catastrophic injury all of the waivers, verbal okey dokes are worth the paper they are printed on, that is exactly nothing.

many people on these forums give out free legal advice and that is exactly what the advice is worth.

You do realize that an umbrella policy is just an excess coverage for the underlying coverage (homeowners). Exactly why i said if you raise your coverage, they can go to or over $1 million in most cases. And also why i said they will cover you to an extent.

Umbrellas add a few options, but not many more than what your homeowners already covers. All losses covered and not covered are based on the underlying policy, not the umbrella.


If you charge a premium, as i said, none of this will do you any good as it jumps out of the personal lines coverage to commercial coverage, and then you need to purchase event coverage, or field insurance.

Some of the advise on the forums are worth $.02, why some isn't. And all is best to seek a professional for specific help. All forum advise is a guideline and not to be taken for as law. Even tho some of us do these things every day for a living.

[DJ]

Mr Payback,Please reread what I posted, It was not or is not my intention to impune your professional advice. I am not in the business of selling insurance either. What I did do was work (bailiff) in criminal, civil, family, divorce,R/O court for 8 years of my career as a deputy. I watched many well intentioned people (some married to each other) try to figuratively slash each others throat when the relationship soured.When money is involved, it was worse. I paid attention to what I saw and learned well from my time there.
What typically occurs on these forums (as in this case) is you have some young person eager to go forward with their AS venture without much knowledge as to the possible consequences. They put their families assets at risk because they lack the knowledge / seasoning to know better. Many here throw out free advice such as." go for it a waiver is all you need". This is the kind of stuff I am referring to, not your insurance advice. I usually read all of the posts , and then respond as a whole. That is why you were not specifically quoted.
Re the umbrella policy, let me reiterate, that is the minimum I would run with. I am not sure you can even buy an umbrella without a base policy in place. Because we occasionally run air soft games on our farm, that is sufficient for us. If ADMISSION IS BEING CHARGED, ALL BETS ARE OFF! ( sorry for the caps, I am not going to retype).
If I offended you, I apologize. My goal here is to prevent a young person from risking his families property from predatory people who seem to run in every venue.

[Farmer]

The insurance thing we used to get was I "believe" umbrella coverage that the state parks required us to use. Please by all means LOOK into what everyone has said before you have your first "game". Do things the right way the first time, I am a security guard, not I repeat NOT a lawyer. I know about this coverage because I used to volunteer. I will find out more info asap, working 8-12 hours a day leaves little time to look into old records. I however have the rest of the weekend off, so I will see if I can find the place we used to use. I strongly suggest you talk this over with your folks as well. As a parent, I like to be able to make informed choices about something my 13 y/o is doing. She is more likely to be able to do it, if she gives me the low down and discusses it with me first.

[Tork]

Hey my Brother lives in white city. maybe he can come by and airsoft a little before he comes to Eugene:D