Battlesim CQB Canceled

[Seagreen]

Events cancel......and it sucks every time. Chapped is right, we definitely had to reevaluate our training schools frequency and structure to better suit the airsoft market.

Hence the reason we have added "missions" on the suggestion of the instructors. To clarify the BSP Challenge was pulled for one single reason: A paperwork error on the State side of the program that lashed back 90 days prior to the event step-off date. The Wednesday prior this paperwork error was "discovered" and it ended up shutting down the facility usage: Reason....States have rules, and State run locations have rules.

Participation has NEVER been an issue with our CQC events. It's more like exclusivity at the CQC events. The teams that come REALLY want to be there.

I think what submarined Battlesim's program wasn't the time and effort into the event, they put on top notch shows, it was the economy for the regular player. The event cost is a fixed cost. It is the peripheral costs that create the pain in the wallet. Battlesim promoted a product that the community at large could "afford" if not for, I'd estimate, event travel, lodging, and food.

I wouldn't scrub the mission because of this one set-back. We certainly didn't.

[Fred]

Hellmutt, you're events defiantly a airsoft niche. You will get successful events at times and complete flops. I am sorry that you had to cancel your event. It sucks, maybe it just wasn't the right time. My guess that it's summer, people are going to want outdoor games instead.
Matt has a point, with gas prices soaring... High priced admissions become a bit of turn off.

[Riddick]

Rise is fuel costs effects everything. I think the water down version of mil-sim is what the general user wants. I say may that your target audience. They out number everyone else.

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

You know, its like this for me.

Cost/Distance/getting time off work. I've had fun at the battlesim events that I've attended. I've had fun at games here. I'm not such a big fan of the giant games we've been running around here lately, with 300 people running around shooting without any plan. I'm not such a big fan of the cost of Battlesim events (and when I think about the cost of an event, I have to think about the cost of getting the weekend off of work and the lost wages that go with it, the cost of gasoline, food, ammo, a place to stay, AND event fees). And even then, there's no guarantee's that it'll be possible to get the time off from work.

Now, if I don't know the day or actual cost of an event, it's even more bloody god-damn difficult to take that time off from work.

For the latest game at Splat Action, I tried to make it - but when I found myself puking and shitting the night before (I've been told that theres a rumour that I was having a drunken three way with two fat chicks - don't I wish), I just wasn't really feeling like going to the game was the correct course of action. I really don't think I would have had that much fun at the game also. 300 people running around with hicaps isn't my idea of fun. Also, I hate Splat Action as an airsoft field. They have received FAR MORE than enough from us, to justify fixing their bleeding field, but they'd rather sit around drinking cheap beer and tossing knives out into the crowd.

I would be far more interested in a game with goals, a story, a command structure, and a generally consistent uniform. Sadly, entirely too often, I don't think thats really possible with the average player around here. The average player is more interested in running around shooting at anything that moves. Asking the average player around here to defend a bridge, knowing that they won't see action, is like asking Nancy Pelosi to suck the cheddar out of GW Bush's thick hard bratwurst. The average 'sniper' around here is more interested in shooting people, than observing and reporting to higher headquarters.

Thats something I admire about battlesim.

Either way - neither of us is 'better' than the other, and if this is devolving into a penis-size contest, I'll admit - the only way your hot dog could be smaller than mine, is if you're a girl. So, from my point of view, its not about proving who has a bigger cock.

*yawn*

I'm going to go back to trolling the off-topic forum with pictures of men engaged in sexual congress with a head of lettuce.

[Howe]

If all you want to do is shoot people, thats cool I guess. Personally, Id rather be part of an immersive experience:
Best example of this was at Jump to Destiny. It was probably 0600, and I was laying dog at the AA (assembly area - place where all the American paratroopers would meet to assemble) waiting for more guys to come in. By this time I had been on the ground for 2.5 hours, and my entire pathfinder squad had been wiped out by a platoon of Fallschirmjagers. Then I remembered I actually lived in a dorm room in Seattle, and in 12 hours I would probably be asleep in it. For about 4 hours I had completely forgotten where I was, and who I was. THAT is what I want, THAT is what I paid money for. IMO, you wont find that at a modern event.

This is ridiculous. If you are such a bad a$$ and no event can meet your ultra cool needs then join the military and stfu. Look at the people you are attacking: Nocte, Commiehunter, Riddick these are some of the most respected people in the community. They aren't wrong you are... period.

I got some good advice given to me when I was in high school that applies to this event: "The whole world isn't wrong, you are."

If the entire community doesn't support an event then it's not the communities' fault it's the organizers fault for not giving the community what they want. If you want to hold your completely realistic toy gun competition that the community doesn't support then go for it. Just don't phony pony when people don't show. If you like your nitch great, enjoy it. You have every right to. Just stop complaining that not enough people like your nitch.

[chapped]

My reasons are primarily financial.

The entrance fee coupled with transportation expenses made it non-viable.
The event itself was very alluring to me. It's just too rich for my poor a$$ blood.

Personally I could live without Insights involvement if it meant a substantial reduction in cost.
We're already pretty serious about our CQC as it is. I'm more interested in a completely immersive experience. Believable venues like actual locations, (schools, banks, etc.)
I especially liked the idea of padded opfor that could be taken down physically. I really like that idea. I mean, I REALLY like that idea.

[Nocte]

For instance, if the competition was $35 per player would people come? Or if it were $250 per team and you could have as many people as you wanted would that make a difference? What if we had a $1000+ prize for the winning team?

Yes.
For an 8+ player stack, yes.
I don't go to games for the prizes.

It sounds like you had a pretty good facility lined up. Posting pictures of new badass play fields is a good way to generate interest in a hurry.

Howe, get your tongue out of my a$$. No one respects me. Thanks for the effort, though.

[Haloeclipse]

Its too bad the majority of players (in WA and OR) are still stuck in their little tiny box and think that airsoft can only be dressing up in crappy replica gear and shooting plastic pellets at eachother, and thinking because they do this their hot dog size is bigger than everyone else.

All I can say to that is F you.


Sucks your event didn't pan out. Im all for doin historical games or theme games, I unfortunatley don't have the money to buy the kit, buy admittance, and with gas prices, its an investment to drive up.

On top of that, everything you offered at your event I can get locally for less. If I lived closer, I would be happy to attend. However my wallet and family dictate my attendance at games.

And to continue the honesty, Ive had more than one experience with battlesim players hacking or other general asshattery. If I pay that much and travel that far for a game, I expect people call there hits.

[danneskjold]

This is ridiculous. If you are such a bad a$$ and no event can meet your ultra cool needs then join the military and stfu. Look at the people you are attacking: Nocte, Commiehunter, Riddick these are some of the most respected people in the community. They aren't wrong you are... period.

Im in ROTC, but that is neither here nor there.

If the entire community doesn't support an event then it's not the communities' fault it's the organizers fault for not giving the community what they want. If you want to hold your completely realistic toy gun competition that the community doesn't support then go for it. Just don't phony pony when people don't show. If you like your nitch great, enjoy it. You have every right to. Just stop complaining that not enough people like your nitch.

Im not saying its anyones fault dude, relax.

All I can say to that is F you.

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And to continue the honesty, Ive had more than one experience with battlesim players not calling hits. If I pay that much for a game, I expect peopel to call there hits.

I dont think Battlesim has come down to play in OR in YEARS, besides CQC. So give me details dude, what games?

[Junto]

Sure they have. One of the Ops last year and Op Nephilim and a few other Strikezone games where I was convinced to come to long winter, which was bleeding excellent.

I'd like to come to more WWII stuff, and have begun putting my german loadout together, but now that's an OPFOR role.

[danneskjold]

They went to Grid18 and Strike Zone...thats all I know of. Those were what 2-3 years ago?

German wasnt OPFOR at JTD. Plenty of first timers went as German.

You are welcome to come German every time Junto.

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

And to continue the honesty, Ive had more than one experience with battlesim players not calling hits. If I pay that much for a game, I expect peopel to call there hits.

I dont think Battlesim has come down to play in OR in YEARS, besides CQC. So give me details dude, what games?

To be fair, there are always accusations of hackers. As we have more players around here, I think it would be fair to say that there are more hackers in our community. Those accusations are always going to exist.

Okay - back to trolling off-topic.

[Fury]

I would of loved to go to the event, but the only things that stopped me was the unknown price along with the distance. Between entrance fee, gas, food, and hotel that would of been an expenseve a$$ weekend for me, and that was money I don't have.

I agree I would of maybe gone if the price was lower. If that meant that the training company was not involved then I would of been ok with that. I have been perfectly happy with the BSP run CQC events.

As far as the other events that I have seen posted for BattleSim, they are just not my cup of tea. I'm not in to dressing up in WWII attire and paying those entrnce fees for games.

[mr.eke]

I would speak my more of my mind, but I'd just look bad.

Nocte, you've always had a problem with Battlesim since GS3. That's perfectly fine, just be honest about it instead of being a passive aggressive puss.

Should I judge everything you do one the one game of yours that I went to? The one where you insisted on everyone bringing no more than 400 rounds, for a game that lasted less than half as long as what you expected? Then you made it into basically an open skirmish, except that a lot of the people that were there had no ammo left.

No I shouldn't. Because you learned from it, and changed things the next time right?

I'd even like to check out Nephilim3, because I'm not going to assume all of your games suck based on a single experience.

(Backlash is expected of course. Take it out on me, not others.)

[Nocte]

Nocte, you've always had a problem with Battlesim since GS3. That's perfectly fine, just be honest about it instead of being a passive aggressive puss.

Where do you see me not being honest about this fact? I'm pretty sure I spelled this out multiple times already. Why is this still a topic? This thread isn't about Nocte vs. BattleSim, although I suppose it's turned into that.

Thank you for your continued interest in my Project Nephilim series. The first one was my very first event I ever hosted, and I made a lot of mistakes. I'll admit that. I'd like to think that by the second one, I had learned enough from those mistakes to fix what didn't work well.

In my opinion, BattleSim has changed very little from their admitted mistakes from GSIII, thus the basis of my response in this thread.