M4 W/ Reflex Sight

[Partiro]

I just bought a reflex sight from AONW with my friends and just got home and tested it out on the KM4 RIS. I noticed there are several ways to put it on and wonder what is good and bad. Some things I want to ask are should I mount it in the position of where the carrying handle is? Which is the most likely setup? Or put in on top of the carrying handle or just put it in front of the carrying handle on the rail system... So far the front of the carrying handle actually aligns with my iron sights and it kinda looks cool but it just probably takes out the purpose of a reflex sight...

[afatcow]

The most popular way is to pop off that carrying handle and use a riser (if necessary) to put the reflex sight at eye level so that you may maintain a natural and solid cheek weld on the rifle.



Putting the center of the reflex sight in the same position as your current sights, similar to the picture above, will feel the most natural and probably be the most solid option.

[Beran]

if you do that, its usually not a bad idea to pick up some kind of rear sight as well. fixed or flip up, so long as you have something to sight your weapon with.

[DMitri]

I've always preferred the "on the RIS" method, mainly because most AR variants without the handle just look bad to me.



Looks even better with a EOTech, in my opinion. Been looking to trade someone. :P

You shouldn't be looking through the sight as much as looking past it anyway--both eyes open. If for some reason my red dot dies all the sudden, my iron sights are already in position and can see through the glass.

Another neat thing is, as long as your rifle is zeroed to your iron sights, all you have to do is put the dot on top of the front sight-post to zero it, but that works with BUISs too.

[Partiro]

I'm always preferred the "on the RIS" method, mainly because most AR variants without the handle just look bad to me.


Looks even better with a EOTech, in my opinion. Been looking to trade someone. :P

You shouldn't be looking through the sight as much as looking past it anyway--both eyes open. If for some reason my red dot dies all the sudden, my iron sights are already in position and can see through the glass.

Another neat thing is, as long as your rifle is zeroed to your iron sights, all you have to do is put the dot on top of the front sight-post to zero it, but that works with BUISs too.

Yeah for some reason it just looks so sexy with the reflex sight in front of the carrying handle... It aligns with the Iron sights but the problem is would this just take out the whole purpose of having a reflex sight?

[DMitri]

No, because when you use it correctly and just focus past it, on your target, you simply see a floating red dot as if it were part of your natural eyesight.

If you're a right handed shooter, align your right eye behind your sight, and align your left eye along the side of your gun. If you practice you can consciously focus on your target with only your left eye and your right eye will procure the dot and your central nervous system will do the rest automatically like it always does.

If you focus through the sight, you might form a habit of occasionally focusing on the dot itself, which is inches in front of you, and this will cause tunnel vision.

This is basically the concept.



The dot was obviously added with Photoshop, you can't achieve what I'm talking about without binocular vision so you can't really take a picture of it by any means I have at my disposal. Also, this is kind of far to the left, you'll have a bit more of the replica in your vision.

I also purposely focused the camera as far out as I could. Your gun should not be in focus when you're aiming at a target, they should be.

[Manicotti Airsoft]

Ben, is that a sexy quadrant site in the last pic?

[DMitri]

It is. The best part is that it's on a removable carry handle without the extension block. :P

I told myself I'd get an A2 upper if the tabs on mine broke, but then they did and the gun was still solid (In Systema We Trust) so I just said shazaam it, it's only there for looks anyway. Alternatively, maybe one day I'll saw down the bolts on the carry handle and replace the fasteners with thin nuts that the sight can pass over.

I was going to remove it once, but Classic Army was the only company who produced an aftermarket metal carry handle at the time, and since it was an early CA AR variant, the tolerances were completely off from both TM and real steel and I had to shave part of it down to get the quadrant sight to fit, so now it looks upsidedown up and mangled without it.

[Partiro]

No, because when you use it correctly and just focus past it, on your target, you simply see a floating red dot as if it were part of your natural eyesight.

If you're a right handed shooter, align your right eye behind your sight, and align your left eye along the side of your gun. If you practice you can consciously focus on your target with only your left eye and your right eye will procure the dot and your central nervous system will do the rest automatically like it always does.

If you focus through the sight, you might form a habit of occasionally focusing on the dot itself, which is inches in front of you, and this will cause tunnel vision.

This is basically the concept.


The dot was obviously added with Photoshop, you can't achieve what I'm talking about without binocular vision so you can't really take a picture of it by any means I have at my disposal. Also, this is kind of far to the left, you'll have a bit more of the replica in your vision.

I also purposely focused the camera as far out as I could. Your gun should not be in focus when you're aiming at a target, they should be.

Wow that is so cool, it actually works the way you showed it. With some practice I think it would be a lot faster.

[Manicotti Airsoft]

It is. The best part is that it's on a removable carry handle without the extension block. :P

I told myself I'd get an A2 upper if the tabs on mine broke, but then they did and the gun was still solid (In Systema We Trust) so I just said f**k it, it's only there for looks anyway. Alternatively, maybe one day I'll saw down the bolts on the carry handle and replace the fasteners with thin nuts that the sight can pass over.

I was going to remove it once, but Classic Army was the only company who produced an aftermarket metal carry handle at the time, and since it was an early CA AR variant, the tolerances were completely off from both TM and real steel and I had to shave part of it down to get the quadrant sight to fit, so now it looks upsidedown up and mangled without it.

Mine adjusts fine even with the bolts of the carry handle

[DMitri]

You must have a different version than I do.

[Merchant]

Inspired by this thread last night I decided to try something...so do you think, good, bad or ugly?

[Partiro]

Ok I just took pictures of the cheap reflex sight on my iphone although the quality isn't as good as my real camera I was too lazy to recharge the batteries..
These are the positions I am interested in...

In front of carrying handle.


In position of carrying handle.


On top of carrying handle. < I didn't have a carrying handle rail so I just placed it lol..

[Merchant]

I like the first and last personally. My friend has his set up like the last and it seems to work.

[DMitri]

The first set up is the most aesthetically pleasing to me. The third will probably have the least amount of vision obstruction, but at the cost of holding your head up slightly higher.