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Postby cplkill » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:54 pm

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Also, an MG36 is NOT just a G36 with a C-Mag. There are many other differences between it and other G36 models.

Of course, it has a bipod, 3.5x magnification sight, reflex sight, full-length barrel, etc. etc.
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Postby Reeko » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:55 pm

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Also, an MG36 is NOT just a G36 with a C-Mag. There are many other differences between it and other G36 models.

Of course, it has a bipod, 3.5x magnification sight, reflex sight, full-length barrel, etc. etc.


Those may make it an MG36, but all it needs is the heavy barrel to be a support weapon.
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Postby cplkill » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:59 pm

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"It was proposed as a squad automatic variant of the H&K G36, however it was abandoned after the Bundeswehr withdrew interest in the project."

Proto-typed, It was never actually made. There were massive issues with the bolt carrier group that needed to be corrected that they didn't want to put the time and money in to developing. Instead they have this: H&K 23E and developed this H&K MG4 which is currently in use with the German Military as it's SAW.

Doesn't mean you can't model an airsoft gun after it. The XM-8 was abandoned, and they still made airsoft guns out of it.
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Postby league 4 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:10 pm

Too bad the MG36 wasn't ever in service. You might as well be using an M4 with a C mag which is actually more realistic. Just retarded. Just go buy an M249 or midcaps for your regular AEG...
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Postby mossy » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:15 pm

Warning the SAW is heavy and cost more over time...
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Postby cplkill » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:19 pm

league 4 wrote:Too bad the MG36 wasn't ever in service. You might as well be using an M4 with a C mag which is actually more realistic. Just retarded. Just go buy an M249 or midcaps for your regular AEG...

Please see my previous post(the one where I say "XM-8").
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Postby league 4 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:33 pm

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league 4 wrote:Too bad the MG36 wasn't ever in service. You might as well be using an M4 with a C mag which is actually more realistic. Just retarded. Just go buy an M249 or midcaps for your regular AEG...

Please see my previous post(the one where I say "XM-8").


Saw it. Makes no difference.
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Postby cplkill » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:42 pm

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league 4 wrote:Too bad the MG36 wasn't ever in service. You might as well be using an M4 with a C mag which is actually more realistic. Just retarded. Just go buy an M249 or midcaps for your regular AEG...

Please see my previous post(the one where I say "XM-8").


Saw it. Makes no difference.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between a gun that was designed for a certain purpose but never entered service and a gun that has seen widespread service, but wasn't designed for the purpose in question at all.
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Postby Cap n pickles » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:52 pm

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Cap n pickles wrote:SAWs (M249) are really cool, but i am not willing to put up with the crappy box mag and the block of gear box in it.

Get the new CYMA RPK, and run the 800rnd High caps in it. SEXY.



Box mags for M249 are not crappy, and what is wrong with the gear box. The PGC style M249 gear box's is one of the best gear box designs.



The Gearbox is fine, but i found that the design of the inner guide rails for the Piston are off or too high and cause's the engagement of the gears to hit the lower part of this piston, resulting in piston failure.

And the box mag is just too over done, a simple hose and a winding wheel atthe bottom of the mag would work, as a team mate has done just that and it seems to work just fine.
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Postby Ash » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:16 pm

Cap n pickles wrote:
Ash wrote:
Cap n pickles wrote:SAWs (M249) are really cool, but i am not willing to put up with the crappy box mag and the block of gear box in it.

Get the new CYMA RPK, and run the 800rnd High caps in it. SEXY.



Box mags for M249 are not crappy, and what is wrong with the gear box. The PGC style M249 gear box's is one of the best gear box designs.



The Gearbox is fine, but i found that the design of the inner guide rails for the Piston are off or too high and cause's the engagement of the gears to hit the lower part of this piston, resulting in piston failure.

And the box mag is just too over done, a simple hose and a winding wheel atthe bottom of the mag would work, as a team mate has done just that and it seems to work just fine.


Do you own any M249's and how many of their gearboxes have you worked on?

Also most of the brands of M249's are fed by a winding wheel attached to a feeding hose, So I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Postby Junto » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:18 pm

Riddick wrote:
Junto wrote:Get an Echo 1 or A&K M249.


same thing grayson ;-) except with echo 1 rebranding you pay more but you get a limited time warranty with it.
I listed both because they're the same thing and he can't go wrong with either, rather than facing the question of "Which of these two guns-that-are-exactly-the-same is better?"

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Postby Cap n pickles » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:12 pm

Ash wrote:
Cap n pickles wrote:
Ash wrote:
Cap n pickles wrote:SAWs (M249) are really cool, but i am not willing to put up with the crappy box mag and the block of gear box in it.

Get the new CYMA RPK, and run the 800rnd High caps in it. SEXY.



Box mags for M249 are not crappy, and what is wrong with the gear box. The PGC style M249 gear box's is one of the best gear box designs.



The Gearbox is fine, but i found that the design of the inner guide rails for the Piston are off or too high and cause's the engagement of the gears to hit the lower part of this piston, resulting in piston failure.

And the box mag is just too over done, a simple hose and a winding wheel atthe bottom of the mag would work, as a team mate has done just that and it seems to work just fine.


Do you own any M249's and how many of their gearboxes have you worked on?

Also most of the brands of M249's are fed by a winding wheel attached to a feeding hose, So I have no idea what you are talking about.


Our Squad has a A&K M249, also having worked on the New A&K M60 that Android has, he keeps blowing pistons due to the design being off.

You do not have to believe me, but its not hard to grasp the concept that a china Company would make the Castings for a Gearbox off by 1mm on the Guide rails. Thus the piston gets raised higher and makes a weak AOE on the Gear.

Some guns just do not want to work, and its mostly due to the castings of the gear boxs. Yours may work fine, but some just eat pistons like no other.
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Postby mossy » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:27 pm

It's probably because he has a CA...
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Postby FishSlapRepublic » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:07 pm

Reading isn't your strong point is it?
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Postby Ash » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:17 pm

Cap n pickles wrote:
Ash wrote:
Cap n pickles wrote:
Ash wrote:
Cap n pickles wrote:SAWs (M249) are really cool, but i am not willing to put up with the crappy box mag and the block of gear box in it.

Get the new CYMA RPK, and run the 800rnd High caps in it. SEXY.



Box mags for M249 are not crappy, and what is wrong with the gear box. The PGC style M249 gear box's is one of the best gear box designs.



The Gearbox is fine, but i found that the design of the inner guide rails for the Piston are off or too high and cause's the engagement of the gears to hit the lower part of this piston, resulting in piston failure.

And the box mag is just too over done, a simple hose and a winding wheel atthe bottom of the mag would work, as a team mate has done just that and it seems to work just fine.


Do you own any M249's and how many of their gearboxes have you worked on?

Also most of the brands of M249's are fed by a winding wheel attached to a feeding hose, So I have no idea what you are talking about.


Our Squad has a A&K M249, also having worked on the New A&K M60 that Android has, he keeps blowing pistons due to the design being off.

You do not have to believe me, but its not hard to grasp the concept that a china Company would make the Castings for a Gearbox off by 1mm on the Guide rails. Thus the piston gets raised higher and makes a weak AOE on the Gear.

Some guns just do not want to work, and its mostly due to the castings of the gear boxs. Yours may work fine, but some just eat pistons like no other.


The A&K M60 does not have the same gear box as the M249. They are similar but not the same. So if you were talking about the A&K M60 gear box you should of said the in the first place and not a general statement about how airsoft M249 gearbox's have issues.

I have worked on and owned several CA M249's, A&K M249's and A&K M60's gearboxes and have never had the issue you are talking about.

So to generally say that all airsoft M249's have crappy box mags and sub par gearboxes is pretty unfounded, since you do not have the experience or knowledge about all the brands and models.

It would be like me saying that all airsoft AK’s suck, and have feeding issues.
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