Well, maybe this is the issue....

[Archangel 06]

A couple of weeks ago, Echo 1 had some info about their new RPK on their Facebook. In it, they mention a 450+ FPS spring. Seeing as that just seemed ridiculous, I decided to say something, just to see what they would say in return.

Me: "Downgrade the spring. FPS =/= "soopur l33t sn1p0rz k33l00r". Get that out of your head. I have used a rifle firing at a steady 325 FPS for all of my games, and it performs great. Plus, you will achieve less stress on the gearbox and better ROF."

Brian Holt (The head tech for Echo 1 USA): "‎@ John D W: we are not in the 'tm' world and the gearbox can take a beating. I have used rifles and support guns firing at kids with fps from 250-600+ and the factor is accuracy and delay of impact for the great gun."

Really? Is that what these "Professionals" truly believe? If so, maybe that is the reason for all of these newbs coming in and believing that FPS makes them God.

I don't know if anyone else agrees, but that just ticked me off that someone in a professional position would believe that.

Here's the thread link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5216608&id=96245057615&ref=fbx_album

[Mattman154]

It's simple Hydrodynamics, Tom.

[VogonFord]

Whatever. If they're shooting 450, they don't play. If they're shooting 400, that's their choice. Let them think their guns make them god, then let them lose horribly when they try to take on APST alone.

[Archangel 06]

See, Vogon, that would have been my initial reaction too, until I noticed who it was that was saying those things. If you're gonna tell kids that shooting each other with 600+ FPS guns is ok, what's next? "You only need eyepro if you are closer than 30 feet?"

Granted, my "what's next" statement is a little exaggerated, but I'm trying to make a point.

[Merchant]

I guess what took me by surprise was that the E1 head tech didn't even consider the opinion of experienced airsofters. Makes me wonder if he as ever played before, or if he even has much knowledge about airsoft because I'm a 18 year old kid that has airsoft for 2 years n I can tell you that you can get just as much range and accuracy with a <400fps gun as you can with a 450fps gun. All depends on the barrel and hop. Just surprised he was so ignorant.

[CommieHunter]

I guess what took me by surprise was that the E1 head tech didn't even consider the opinion of experienced airsofters. Makes me wonder if he as ever played before, or if he even has much knowledge about airsoft because I'm a 18 year old kid that has airsoft for 2 years n I can tell you that you can get just as much range and accuracy with a <400fps gun as you can with a 450fps gun. All depends on the barrel and hop. Just surprised he was so ignorant.

The thing is, if barrel and hop are equal, 450 will outshoot <400.

Just because you're accurate 350fps AEG can outshoot a 400+ FPS AEG, it doesn't by any means mean that you can outshoot every 400+ AEG.

[Archangel 06]

Just read over it, and this is idiotic. Are we sure that this guy works for Echo1? Because that statement seems way too retarded for someone who regularly works with airsoft guns to say.

Either that or he does want to push the "FPS= l33t" belief, seeing how that's how Echo1 and other dealers sell many of their guns to new players.

Yea, I'm sure he's the head tech. That or he's managed to fool a LOT of people....

Commie, I get what you're saying, and that is entirely true - all things except FPS being equal. Unfortunately, that is not the point that he (the tech) was trying to make.

[Nocte]

Moved to AEG/Electrics.

Also, the reason his reply is so pissy is because he had to defend Echo1's gearbox design from your claim that they might be stressed from the tougher spring. That's his job. The rest of his reply was based on that defense, which was making you look wrong.

[shakespeare]

I figure its basic capitalism here.
If people stopped buying guns that shoot at too high of an FPS, then manufacturers would stop making them.
He just makes what sells.

[Falcon7]

I guess what took me by surprise was that the E1 head tech didn't even consider the opinion of experienced airsofters. Makes me wonder if he as ever played before, or if he even has much knowledge about airsoft because I'm a 18 year old kid that has airsoft for 2 years n I can tell you that you can get just as much range and accuracy with a <400fps gun as you can with a 450fps gun. All depends on the barrel and hop. Just surprised he was so ignorant.

The thing is, if barrel and hop are equal, 450 will outshoot <400.

Just because you're accurate 350fps AEG can outshoot a 400+ FPS AEG, it doesn't by any means mean that you can outshoot every 400+ AEG.

This. Also, I doubt the gun shoots 450 out of the box. Sites tend to exaggerate the abilities of their guns. And they usually top off at 400 because of FPS limits and safety. Also, who would let a 600 FPS rifle into a game?

[Shiloh]

Listen to airsoftology, you'll find out.

OT: I agree with Nocte here. He's an employee: His job is to sell things. If he admits something's wrong with them, people might not buy as many, and you see where this is going.

As for the actual FPS: Yeah, it might shoot 450 out of the box, but once the spring settles in it'll probably be somewhere around 375-400. At least, that's what I think. That still seems a bit high for a support weapon, though, in my opinion. Your ROF is going to be slower (depending, of course, on battery, piston, motor, etc.) and it's going to put more stress on the internals. I'd rather have a support weapon such as a SAW or RPK shooting 350 and 25 rounds a second than one shooting 400 and...crap, maybe 12 to 15?

Just my $.02, take it with a grain of salt if you wish.

[Bigfoot]

Echo is retarded down to the core. They claim that they are the best you can buy, but all they do is purchase guns from JG and throw in rejected TM/CA parts and super high velocity springs. It's been that way for years and it still will be. If you look at all their "new" releases you will find that they all have been done by someone else before. In other words they are a literal CLONE company.

[The Clock]

I use to be a fan of E1s but ever since the price increase it just seems stupid to buy one. I'd rather get the CYMA and save 50$, the lemon insurance just isn't worth it.