VFC M4A1 E-Series

[Blitzkreig]

I am planning on getting this gun (the standard non-rail version) and I have a few questions about it.
1. Will it accept an Echo 1 rail system?
2. Is it lipo-ready? How can I make it lipo-ready?
3. Will it accept MAG midcaps?
4. Other information I should know.

Thank you for taking the time to read and answer this. I am highly favoring the VFC to the 2009 Classic Army M15A4. I want to know that I am making the right choice.

[Prophet]

I've been asking questions bout this, too. I have heard this series has great internals and is solid.

[Merchant]

You are defiantly making the right choice with the VFC. I bought the CA and my friend got the VFC. I have opened both rifles up and I must say the VFC is slightly superior in almost every way. The internals are slightly better, I forget the specifics accept that the VFC does come with a sector chip (helps improve proper feeding). I also know the externals are superior as well accept the fact that it does not have real trades. The only down side to the VFC is the plastic in the grip and stock. It isn't as nice as CA's, but it isn't that much worse. The rifle all together is better than the CA. Oh accept the hop up chamber is plastic as opposed to the CA metal one. If you want to make it Lipo ready you will want to install a MOSFET. I know some people may disagree with me on this, but my rational is that no matter how tough the internals are, you can still burn out your contacts w/o a MOSFET over time. Other than that, I believe it is Lipo ready.

Edit: if you have any specific questions, just PM me and I shall do the best to formulate an appropriate answer.

[league 4]

1. Will it accept an Echo 1 rail system?
Link to the rail you're talking about?
2. Is it lipo-ready? How can I make it lipo-ready?
It is, but the motor sucks and you might want to put in a polycarb piston head and add shims to the gears if you're running a high amperage lipo.
3. Will it accept MAG midcaps?
Mine did.
4. Other information I should know.
Externals on it kind of suck, but I'm used to G&P so you might like it. Mine didn't accept other cylinders (stock one was shorter.. Don't know why) and I got bad compression between the cylinder head and cylinder. The GB shell, bushings, gears, piston, and piston head are pretty nice. I also really like the hopup chamber. Worked well with a madbull bucking, only gun I've had where it didn't constantly jam using one.

And merchant, hopup chamber material doesn't matter very much. I've never broken a plastic one, but I've broken a systema metal one. And trigger contacts burn out with a mosfet, too. It's also harder on your motor if you have an AB mosfet.

[Prophet]

Merchant, luckily the trades issue has been resolved by Socom Gear, who has combined their/Madbull's rails and bodies to make probably the most beautiful AEG ARs on the market (yeah, I went there).

[league 4]

Prophet, I highly recommend against madbull bodies, I have a daniel defense one and it's horrible. I heard that the SOCOM GEAR/VFC guns have VFC bodies that look like the madbull ones, instead. I haven't verified myself but my friend said that after handling both mine and a teammates one.

[Regular Guy]

Is this the Echo 1 rail system you're talking about?

http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?m ... 0aa9a88ce8

As far as I know Lipo battery can be used on most AEG out in the market. Yes you can use Lipo battery but it may wear the internal parts of your AEG faster than using NiMh batteries.

I'm not familiar with MAG brand magazines but it can take Dboy and Echo 1 brand magazines.

Other things you may consider: Will this be a field gun or CQB gun?

Here is a video comparison on the VFC and Classic Army:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDpDo1Rg ... _embedded#!

Good luck!

[Prophet]

I am still not sure if it is Madbull/Socom Gear make the bodies or if VFC does. If you could clarify that for sure, then that'd be great. I am assuming Madbull/Socom Gear, because I have heard there is wobble between the upper and lower receivers on the VFC bodies, but none on the Socom Gear AEGs.

[Blitzkreig]

http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?m ... b68e9ff96e

[Regular Guy]

http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=55&products_id=221&zenid=4539fccc5802b9438a6421b68e9ff96e

Do you have this rail already or are you planning to buy it? The reason why I ask is because VFC has the M4 Tactical Carbine with rails system already fitted.

[GacktC]

http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=55&products_id=221&zenid=4539fccc5802b9438a6421b68e9ff96e

It will fit for sure, the RAS is just a very regular type RAS system.
Other companies make the same kind of RAS with lower price, if you pay a very little more, you can get an aluminum version instead of the E1/JG zing alloy (pot metal) version.
If you buying a VFC, put better RAS on to it.
CA isn't that bad, but their stuff, design, material, workmanship are totally not up to date, phase out in Asia long time ago

[Merchant]

. And trigger contacts burn out with a mosfet, too. It's also harder on your motor if you have an AB mosfet.

You do know what a MOSFET is and how it works right? I just installed on on my CA AR15. That said you cannot burn out your trigger contacts-it is just impossible if you have a MOSFET installed. It is difficult to explain via text, but if you don't understand look at a chart that shows the wiring for a MOSFET.

Edit: besides if MOSFETs didn't protect the the trigger contacts what would be the point of them? I can't see airsofters around the world wasting time installing them if they don't do what they were designed for.

[Blitzkreig]

I already have the rail. Do you know if AONW will custom order it for me or do I have to buy it online? I would rather spend my money at a local store, and maybe they would include a free battery.

[league 4]

. And trigger contacts burn out with a mosfet, too. It's also harder on your motor if you have an AB mosfet.

You do know what a MOSFET is and how it works right? I just installed on on my CA AR15. That said you cannot burn out your trigger contacts-it is just impossible if you have a MOSFET installed. It is difficult to explain via text, but if you don't understand look at a chart that shows the wiring for a MOSFET.

Edit: besides if MOSFETs didn't protect the the trigger contacts what would be the point of them? I can't see airsofters around the world wasting time installing them if they don't do what they were designed for.

Mine did using an Extreme Fire Evolution AEG computer. Terry Fritz himself was the one that helped me with the problem. I couldn't find out what was wrong with my gun so I posted on ASM, he asked if I checked to see if my contacts were burnt out or not and it turned out they were. I thought what you did, that they couldn't with a mosfet, but they CAN. They re-route MOST of the electricity away, apparently. That's not the only thing they do, obviously. Most extremely basic ones have active breaking, and some, like mine, are programmable and automatically cut off the electricity when the battery gets low to protect lipos, and more. I suggest you read up a little more on MOSFETs...

[Merchant]

I've done plenty of reading on them. I do know about active braking and programmable MOSFETs. My question is have you actually seen and understand how the rifle is wired?

Look, when you put in a MOSFET, three wires come out of one end and all go into the gear box correct? When you rewire the rifle, it would automatically fire because the circuit is complete if there was no MOSFET in the wiring. The reason it doesn't fire is because the MOSFET waits for the third wire to get power and then releases the energy required. There for there is only a small amount of power going through the trigger contacts, not the full 11.1v of the lipo.

I don't know what happened with your rifle, but if MOSFETs didn't protect the switches, then like I said there wouldn't be a point to the lower end one. All I am saying is that there are hundreds of pages out there with info supporting the MOSFET working, and your claim that it doesn't. I do believe that something failed in your rifle, but I still believe MOSFETs do work. I mean the 11.1v flows through the wires and not through the trigger contacts.

If anyone with more experience on the matter has new information to provide please do so. I'm not against being wrong, just want the correct answer.

Edit: Sorry for the thread hijack!