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Postby Muskrat » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:41 pm

needing some advise.

As some of you know, I am from the dark side, Paintball.

I am looking all over for a gun, I have found several options out there at the price range of $240 to $300, most shoot around 320 or so if I recall. I have read that most fields have an accepted standard of 400fps for rapid fire guns. How hard is it to upgrade a gun to shoot close to 400fps?

In paintball our team would engage the enemy at about 120 feet max unless returning fire or maneuvering as a team, if it was ambush, 60 feet or so depending on the environment.
Airsoft, what is the engagement ranges where a player can be affective more often then just putting pressure on the enemy to conceal team movement?
Can a person increase their range by changing barrels? once you try to increase range do you loose accuracy?

My desired setup is an M4 assault rifle, I have played as an assault team leader for most of my milsim gaming experience. So I want info that will help me with my setup as an assault style player, no long range sniper stuff or squad gunner. thanks
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Postby Falcon7 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:47 pm

If you look around a bit more you should be able to find a gun that will shoot 400fps stock in your price range. Upgrading is complicated and will probably result in the innards of your gun being spilled all over in a useless pile if you try to do it yourself. It also can be expensive. Airsoft GI has quite a few quality guns, Evike and Airsplat are a bit more iffy, but should be fine.

The range of engagement should be about the same depending on the FPS and hop up of your gun. A tightbore barrel is relatively easy to install and can increase accuracy and a bit of FPS.
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Postby Duniway » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:49 pm

You can get a CA M4, G&P M4, G&G M4, KWA M4, and VFC M4, all in your price range. and shooting between 350and 400 FPS, and are all good brands.
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Postby G36 FTW » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:53 pm

All you have to do to raise a gun's fps to around 400 is to drop in a new spring, although some people (me included) don't mind keeping their guns around 350 fps because with a low power spring you get increased rate of fire and better trigger response. You might consider looking for a gun that comes 400fps stock if that is one of your buying points.

As for effective ranges, with a properly tuned M4 you should be able to hit man sized targets around 150ft (with a high quality tight-bore and hop-up properly installed you can reach out to 200ft or farther quite accurately).

See http://www.airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic.php?t=31747 to get the maximum range out of your weapon (and no, farther range does not mean lesser accuracy).

And at that price range I would recommended a Classic Army, G&P or KWA M4.

EDIT: And just a heads up, be wary when upgrading your own rifle. I would suggest looking for a tech or airsoft store in your area to do your first upgrades for you- and if possible try watching them work (it is a lot easier to learn in person than through online videos)
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Postby Ivan Daylovich™ » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:54 pm

Falcon7 wrote:Upgrading is complicated and will probably result in the innards of your gun being spilled all over in a useless pile if you try to do it yourself. It also can be expensive.


This is entirely untrue.
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Postby Falcon7 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:08 pm

Ivan Daylovich wrote:
Falcon7 wrote:Upgrading is complicated and will probably result in the innards of your gun being spilled all over in a useless pile if you try to do it yourself. It also can be expensive.


This is entirely untrue.


There are a bunch of tiny parts that can fly all over the place and a bunch of little not-so-obvious details that you don't know when you first open up a gearbox. A stupid mistake like putting the anti-reversal latch on the wrong side of a gear or not rotating the gears to the right position and mess up the whole system and break things. Upgrade parts are expensive, at least to my poor self.
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Postby Falcon7 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:12 pm

It depends on the person. Every gun is different too. You might find a guide for your gearbox, but overlook the fact that it has a mosfet or something.
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Postby LiberalPacifist » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:17 pm

Stock guns almost never have mosfets, and even if it did that's an electrical control, and not part of the gearbox. Anyway, my recommendation is to open it inside a plastic bag, on a non carpeted floor. and then just pay attention to where it all came from.
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Postby Falcon7 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:19 pm

LiberalPacifist wrote:Stock guns almost never have mosfets, and even if it did that's an electrical control, and not part of the gearbox. Anyway, my recommendation is to open it inside a plastic bag, on a non carpeted floor. and then just pay attention to where it all came from.


Mine did. It stopped working properly when I put it back together because everything was in the right place, except the gears weren't at the right position.
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Postby LiberalPacifist » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:24 pm

Interesting. I'd never heard of that before, although I could assume there were exceptions.

Anyway, I think it all depends on whether or not you personally feel mechanically adept enough to deal with a gearbox. If so, feel free to be your own airmech (I do), and if not, keep it stock.

Oh, and on engagement distances, its roughly the same in airsoft as in paintball, except the bbs penetrate light brush MUCH better.
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Postby G36 FTW » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:25 pm

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Falcon7 wrote:Mine did. It stopped working properly when I put it back together because everything was in the right place, except the gears weren't at the right position.


Want brand is that? Because the only brands I know of that come stock with MOSFETs is Systema and sometimes G&P.


I believe some of the newer JGs do as well.


And we are getting sidetracked; AND I just realized this is also in the wrong forum section. :lol:
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Postby Falcon7 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:27 pm

It was JG. Airsplat says the JG SR-25s come stock with mosfets, but the tech I talked to said they don't so idk what's up there. If you ask me all AEGs should come with mosfets and midcaps.
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Postby NORDIC » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:40 pm

http://www.airsoftoutletnw.com/index.ph ... ttery.html

that shoots around 350 fps.


http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=5601

the g4's from what i've heard i really reliable and most fire around 350 but that socom is within the 380-400 range.

duniway was right with those brands. and an m120 spring should get you to your target 400 if you by a gun shooting under that.
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Postby Muskrat » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:14 pm

pardon the ignorance, but what is blow back?

I think it means gas operated, not sure.

I live in WA where it rains and snows, will a gas gun work well for me or is electric better.
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Postby NORDIC » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:36 pm

no that would be GBBR or gas blow back rifle. some AEGs have imitation pneumatic blowback.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AIRSOFTGIdo ... YpU1-t_52E

watch this video. it will show how an electric blow back works. about 5:40 secs in you'll see the gearbox
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