Hoy shit another Li-Po question...

[Jester316]

I plan on putting Deans connectors on any battery I get, and I'm comfortable doing so.

Chachi, you mentioned Hobbyking, and I have looked there. How does this battery sound to you? And this charger?

I can get that shipped plus a lipo bag for $26... That seems like a great price for me, unless the battery/charger are pieces of crap...

[Chachi]

I think those would work fine Jester for sure. That pack should be a good one, as I have heard many good things in the RC world about the Turnigy packs. Double check the dimensions on the pack, and that it will fit in your replica though. As for the charger, I actually think that may be the same exact one that Pacman and I have, just with a HobbyKing branding on it. As I researched the charger that Pacman has, I found the same model under a few different brand names. It may originally be a HK charger that they sell to other companies to re-label. But, for the one that you linked to, you will need a power supply though, so there is a bit more cost for you, but not much.

Jester, what are the dimensions that you have to work with?

[Jester316]

Any dimensions. I'm planning on just taping it to the stock of my gun for now. Otherwise a buffer tube sized one is needed.

[Chachi]

I am working on something for you Jester. How set are you on the $50 price limit? I am not trying to push you to a top end set up, but I am wondering if there is some flexibility there.

[CBPChris]

The Li-ion that Jester316 linked to does not have balancing tabs meaning he doesn't need a balancer. Li-ion in general do not have balancing tabs, thats a Li-poly thing. What I'm guessing and I beleive this to be true, The PCB balances the cells when you charge the battery.

Thats not true actually. Both Lion(and variants) and Lipos require balancing plugs. I would not use a Lion personally, but if I were to, it would need a balancing plug


As far as your question Jester. You're being a little too vague as to what you are looking for. Dimensions would be great for me to better help you. Below is a link to our site. Browse there. I am sure you will find something to suit your needs. $50 a a little slim on the budget. We do stock a really cheap lipo charger, but I am not a fan.


For all the money you guys spend on these guns, why would you want to skimp and put super cheap crappy batteries in them? Is performance not a big problem to the airsoft community? I am just not sure why I see so many people thinking they're going to be able to get quality packs and chargers for next to nothing. Perhaps there is something I am missing.


With the charger I would recommend, an LVC alarm, and the battery I have in mind, you're looking at more around the $100 price range. Of course you can go cheaper. But personally, I wouldn't...

www.eliteairsoftbatteries.com


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[Nec]

Chachi, you mentioned Hobbyking, and I have looked there. How does this battery sound to you? And this charger?

Jester, although that charger is a fine charger as a friend of mine has a similar charger not that brand, but same design. One important thing to note, unless you want to connect it to your car battery every time you charge a battery, you will need to get a power supply which is an additional $10-$15.
Might I suggest one that can be plugged into a normal 120v wall outlet? such as this one.

If you’re interested in a good universal smart charger, one that can charge NiMh’s, NiCad’s, Lipo’s, Li-ion’s and even the new LiFo4 batteries. Search eBay for "b6 charger".
You can buy the charger for ~$23 (including shipping) and the AC/DC adapter for ~$11 (including shipping).

The Li-ion that Jester316 linked to does not have balancing tabs meaning he doesn't need a balancer. Li-ion in general do not have balancing tabs, thats a Li-poly thing. What I'm guessing and I beleive this to be true, The PCB balances the cells when you charge the battery.

Thats not true actually. Both Lion(and variants) and Lipos require balancing plugs. I would not use a Lion personally, but if I were to, it With the charger I would recommend, an LVC alarm, and the battery I have in mind, you're looking at more around the $100 price range. Of course you can go cheaper. But personally, I wouldn't...

I've never seen a Li-ion with balancing tabs. Although, I haven't search the entire internet for them.

[Chachi]

Jester, I contacted Chris from CBP and asked if he could assist in putting together some type of package for you with good quality stuff. Really, I have to agree with him on why skimp on the battery and charger for a gun that you paid a fair amount for. The same philosophy came up in the RC world with guys that would spend hundreds on their truck, only to turn around and put bargain basement batteries in them. $100 isn't a bad price for what you need, but I completely understand having a budget to work with. I have just been really happy with CBP and Chris specifically for batteries that I have purchased in the past. In fact, I just ordered from them last week for a battery for my brother's RC truck, and again they came through perfect!

Anyways, let me know if you need further help.

[CBPChris]

I've never seen a Li-ion with balancing tabs. Although, I haven't search the entire internet for them.

Well, thats weird. I have actually never seen em without. Perhaps airsoft companies are selling cheaper ones that dont have them. But then again, I am not a fan at all of that chemistry. So I don't pay alot of attention.

[Jester316]

My budget is so tight, because I have no job, very limited income, and don't NEED a new battery. Maybe after christmas time I can up my budget, but for right now, the cheaper the better. I understand why you guys would want to spend more on a battery, but I find it hard to justify when it's not NEEDED. I'm perfectly happy with my Elite 9.6 1500 mini type. Maybe I'll get the $9 battery and test it to see if it's any good, so there is another lower cost option out there...

CBPChris, my dimensions are whatever as I'll most likely just tape the battery to my stock unless it can fit into the buffer tube of a M4.

[Jewish Ninja]

Andrew, I'd get a firefox lipo. Its the brand that I have and have had no issues with(a buddy has used them as well with great results in his PTW). I'll link you the charger I got when I get home(can be had for under 20 IIRC). I have a lipo bag and alarm and have never found the need for it. A lot of it just seems like fear mongering....

http://new.rsov.com/product.php?langId= ... cateId=185

I've run that pack all day in my RS with no issues, so I'm sure you'll be fine with it

[darkaces07]

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/bb-battery/b ... ction.html

[Chachi]

I have a lipo bag and alarm and have never found the need for it. A lot of it just seems like fear mongering....

If you have never been in a car accident before, does that mean that you shouldn't wear a seatbelt? Truly, it isn't fear mongering at all with lipos. It can be a volatile chemistry in the wrong person's hands for sure. Sure, if you are responsible with them and treat them like they are supposed to be treated, then you greatly reduce your chances of having issues (risk management). But having the mindset that because nothing has happened to you, or because nothing has happened in the past, that doesn't mean something won't happen to you or in the future. Taking a precaution of a $25 lipo sack is really easy to do, rather than having thousands of dollars of fire damage or worse, bodily injury.

Maybe some of my outlook comes from my other hobby that I have mentioned, radio controlled vehicles. Lipos are used much more often in that hobby than they are in airsoft, and I have seen and heard many stories of people having issues with a crappy charger or not using some sort of lipo sack or other means of protection. So for me, it isn't fear mongering at all. It is just falling on the side of caution more than anything.

[CBPChris]

My budget is so tight, because I have no job, very limited income, and don't NEED a new battery. Maybe after christmas time I can up my budget, but for right now, the cheaper the better. I understand why you guys would want to spend more on a battery, but I find it hard to justify when it's not NEEDED. I'm perfectly happy with my Elite 9.6 1500 mini type. Maybe I'll get the $9 battery and test it to see if it's any good, so there is another lower cost option out there...

CBPChris, my dimensions are whatever as I'll most likely just tape the battery to my stock unless it can fit into the buffer tube of a M4.

Honestly man. From the mouth of an expert. Stay with what you're using. The lion and alike chemistries are a joke, and all the lipos need to be such a low performing cell so you dont over run the bb's. You will probably gain nothing except less money with lion, and little to no difference in performance with the lipos.


From what I gather, the gun manufacturers are offering lipos because the customers think they need it. But they have to then say you cant use a high C lipo to make it happen. So with this, the voltage is dropping to a safe level for the gun. Within the voltage of a good Nimh. So it is pretty lame.

[Jewish Ninja]

I have a lipo bag and alarm and have never found the need for it. A lot of it just seems like fear mongering....

If you have never been in a car accident before, does that mean that you shouldn't wear a seatbelt? Truly, it isn't fear mongering at all with lipos. It can be a volatile chemistry in the wrong person's hands for sure. Sure, if you are responsible with them and treat them like they are supposed to be treated, then you greatly reduce your chances of having issues (risk management). But having the mindset that because nothing has happened to you, or because nothing has happened in the past, that doesn't mean something won't happen to you or in the future. Taking a precaution of a $25 lipo sack is really easy to do, rather than having thousands of dollars of fire damage or worse, bodily injury.

Maybe some of my outlook comes from my other hobby that I have mentioned, radio controlled vehicles. Lipos are used much more often in that hobby than they are in airsoft, and I have seen and heard many stories of people having issues with a crappy charger or not using some sort of lipo sack or other means of protection. So for me, it isn't fear mongering at all. It is just falling on the side of caution more than anything.

I'm not completely discounting them, but from my personal experience, I have never had the need for either the sack or alarm. Granted I've only been using lipos for about a year, and I only really use it in my Real Sword since it makes the ROF too high on my other guns, so my point of view is much narrower than someone who has been using them more in different roles. I've seen what happens to lipos when they are abused which has also lead me to make sure I take the proper precautions to avoid them assploding on me.

[ogrejager]

[it makes the ROF too high on my other guns.

This statement makes no sense.

I had a buddy charging his lipo at my house with a non-lipo charger. I watched it explode and catch fire. It can happen.