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[quigly]

The idea behind it is on a real AR, your dust cover wont be closed while firing. A attempt on realism.

[CalvinB]

Thanks for the debate, I will look at the G&P too.

I really do not want to buy a gun for $300+ and have to upgrade it to make is perform, $300+ should be out of the box to the field and play. No need for new barrels and so on. Thats just what I would expect for $300+

I want to pick up a Ferrari for the price of a Honda Civic, however thats not how things work. Most companies AEGs can benefit from some sort of mods, notice how the phrase "as a base" keeps coming up... In fact, barrel and hop up rubber are where pretty much every company cuts corners. It would probably not be a bad idea for you to budget another 50 bucks or so for a new barrel and bucking if you want tho gun to perform the way it sounds like you are expecting it to.

[Dalb]

I had the exact same guns narrowed down, the G&G, G&P and KWA, I've SEEN nothing but good reviews, but most of them include the phrase "This is my first gun, and...." But I've heard nothing but terrible news prom you guys on here. I think I'll listen to you. As for G&P and G&G, I still wonder between them, aimlessly.

[RiotingCows]

I had the exact same guns narrowed down, the G&G, G&P and KWA, I've SEEN nothing but good reviews, but most of them include the phrase "This is my first gun, and...." But I've heard nothing but terrible news prom you guys on here. I think I'll listen to you. As for G&P and G&G, I still wonder between them, aimlessly.

Most reviews are typically done buy young kids that have never fielded the gun and only had it for a day to a month. (Still in warranty)
Or experienced players that are only giving you there review of how it should do form what they've seen in it and what the retailer says.

[MikeRarrmeh [64oz]]

I think it really matters what type of gun you get from each company, they're all different in ways. as for my airsoft group/field, my friends g&g m4 broke pretty quick where as my friends kwa m16 has held up for 4 years playing twice a week and he hasn't opened it up to clean it out and re grease. and hes also been using a lipo now for the past 6 months. so theres definitely variables, as for me, i will always stand by kwas new products. i have a sr5 and here are the main things i like about it
-easy access no, hard to break crane stock.
-almost perfect shimming (could use one on sector gear, but not a big deal)
-perfect compression out of the box (air nozzle leaks a tiny tiny bit after a while, no o ring though)
-the gear box is a DREAM to work with, you cant have the spring in and all the upper gb parts while working on the gears and arl without worry of things flying around.

ive had mine about a month after it came out, but have shot somewhere in the neighborhood of 150k rounds.

the only gripe i have, if it is an issue with kwa, is aftermarket parts: my prometheus air nozzle is doing something funky with this gun (which btw someone should check out the post and help me with it, titled 'more range with no hopup?')

but again, i personally havnt had a g&g

[pappyjump]

i dont understand what all the ranting over KWA is about. Yes, their newer models did in-fact have a bit of quality control issues, but now the problem is ALMOST nonexistent. I have not met a KWA owner who has been displeased with their gun.

[Snowman]

KWA has, like, the worst externals evar. Way too matte, it looks plastic.

[Wombat Six]

Anecdotally, all of the KWA owners I have talked with loved their replicas, and the rumor mill is that they've started taming down their replicas so they shoot something closer to 400 FPS stock.

Having owned both a KWA M16BR and a G&G GR16 Carbine, I can offer this guidance from the perspective of an actual owner/operator, not what's been read about on ASGI or AP or Arnie's or whatever.

KWA M16BR: the replica was solid, no gearbox jamming issues aside from one fuckup that was entirely my own doing. Having had the luxury of playing with real steel, I didn't notice anything "different" about the looks worth writing home about. I never ran LiPo through it, but I'd be hardpressed to believe it wasn't capable of it. The gun chrono'd 460 FPS out of the box, we had to knock it down to basically a "found" spring to get it to chrono somewhere in the neighborhood of ~405 FPS. I like the KWA's shotgun breakdown, as it assists in clearing BB jams (not that I had any, but if I did, I'd rather have the ability to clear it than not). The two-piece hop-up had an issue with the screwtabs breaking on the lower portion that was resolved by purchasing a metal lower portion and dremeling to fit. I would have kept it but for the fact that I decided I wanted a carbine length replica. The one big problem is that KWA's magazine compatibility is extremely limited -- KWA and MAG brands seem to be the only ones that consistently fit the magazine well.

G&G GR16 Carbine: this came to me as a used gun, so I can't offer much in the way of "How does it perform new?" guidance, but I can say that I ran about 30 magazines through it at LoW with no issues, on a LiPo (7.4v) and ran into zero progblems. Considering that I acquired the replica as a "I'm tired of trying to fix this thing, do you want it?", I'll take it. The one complaint I do have is the breakdown style is not something I would want to take down in the field. The upper receiver essentially slides onto the piston portion of the gearbox, which means removing the handguards, removing the battery, disconnecting the leads through the delta ring opening, then manuevering the two sections of the receiver apart. It's not my favourite way of breaking down a weapon, and the hop-up is a one-piece assembly, which I think will work just fine, but it also means breakding the hop-up down if the barrel jams.

That being said, if your opinion is that all you should need to do is spend $300+ on a replica and never have to upgrade/modify it, be prepared to be outclassed by those of us who spend $300+ on a replica and then spend the time/money to turn it into a performer. All "stock" replicas have some deficiency that could use correcting: hop-up bucking, barrel tolerances, gear strength, springs, pistons.

[Dalb]

I think I'm going to get the G&P, the Navy Seal skullfrog one, seeing that's the only one available from Evike, unless anyone can find any G&P M4 from anywhere else that is $260?

[Jewish Ninja]

Thanks for the debate, I will look at the G&P too.

I really do not want to buy a gun for $300+ and have to upgrade it to make is perform, $300+ should be out of the box to the field and play. No need for new barrels and so on. Thats just what I would expect for $300+

I want to pick up a Ferrari for the price of a Honda Civic, however thats not how things work. Most companies AEGs can benefit from some sort of mods, notice how the phrase "as a base" keeps coming up... In fact, barrel and hop up rubber are where pretty much every company cuts corners. It would probably not be a bad idea for you to budget another 50 bucks or so for a new barrel and bucking if you want tho gun to perform the way it sounds like you are expecting it to.

This. Any gun can always be better. Don't expect that a high sticker price means that its going to perform any better than a cheaper gun. 95% of stock guns can benefit from accuracy upgrades.

[Vamp]

I have never G&G but my KWA battle rifle is a dream. I have been through probably 30 to 40 matches with it without a problem except that it shoots about 435 out of the box and it takes a lot of convincing to get admins to say ok with it. As far as everyones rants about the LIPO Ready advertisments. Though they are skewed statements they are not incorrect. True any gun out there can run a LIPO, the question is what kind. My JG guns will run a 7.4 no problem but the 11.1v will make them start blank feeding. What KWA is trying to refer to is that thier guns are built with higher quality parts than JG/Dboys, there by allowing them to run 11.1v Lipo batteries for longer without breakdowns.

[pseudoanimosity]

I think the KWA guns were originally advertised to be able to handle an 11.1 LiPo without any problems; any gun on the market that can handle a quality 9.6 NiCd can handle a 7.4v LiPo.

[Patrick750]

He's saying that G&P is better than G&G by a mile.


He just used kilometre because Limpy likes to be silly.

He says G&P is better than G&G.

I know that you've gotten to G&G and KWA.

But G&P tops G&G by a kilometre.

Both externally and internally.

G&P is definitely a great choice...or CA if your into that stuff.
G&P bodies are very solid and well made. IDC what people say about them not because they probably haven't used one. I use mine as a walking stick when moving about the field going to a spawn or something. I've roughed up that gun and have worked it like a horse. I've been using an 11.1 lipo and its still going strong.

[league 4]

After owning pretty much every brand of high end M4 out there, I'd recommend G&P. They do have issues with their gear axles but I think they've fixed it by now, because I just got a used G&P XM110 with their 8mm gearbox and put around 10k rounds through it with a pretty high amperage lipo, and the axles look fine. I don't know how many rounds the previous owner put through it though. And what would you rather replace, a guns body, pistol grip, RIS, etc, or a guns gearset, add a tightbore, and maybe a new bucking?

[Carpet]

I had a KWA SR10 for a little over a year, I didn't run a lipo, but It always worked flawlessly and performed field worthy out of the box. Did I have a good experience with my KWA? yes, would I recommend them to prospective buyers? Yes. Does that mean there are now KWA lemons, no.