Should I laugh or cry?

[Regular Guy]

It has a dildo like vertical grip. Buy it!

[Thompson]

You know that could be a gun worth buying... if it was made by a company worth buying from...

Just so Im clear... what is your "expert" knowledge in this topic?

I think he's talking about JLS, which has sketchy internals.

Or he's talking about Beretta, which is odd because for the most part they make decent firearms...

Which is why Im asking.

[CalvinB]

Or he's talking about Beretta, which is odd because for the most part they make decent firearms...

Berettas are crap, which is why I collect them, and I have 2 that are 70+ years old that still run everything. I think he meant that he doesn't like Beretta.

JLS makes a quality rifle, this is going to be my next buy, and It's from airsplat, a super reputable retailer, I can't wait.

[Fred]

Anyone else think that vert grip looks like a dildo?

Watching too much porn?

[Sahronax]

He just wants it because its different


Just like 99% of every young arisofter. "Its different and since I'm different and a unique snowflake, I want it!"

Bingo

You know that could be a gun worth buying... if it was made by a company worth buying from...

Just so Im clear... what is your "expert" knowledge in this topic?

I think he's talking about JLS, which has sketchy internals.

I was actually referring to JLS, my understanding is that it is a less than quality brand [/understatement]

[Steve]

Or he's talking about Beretta, which is odd because for the most part they make decent firearms...

Umm... No.

The Beretta 92FS / M9 is way too heavy to recoil as poorly as it does. Also, it really doesn't like lower powder weight cartridges like 9mm Luger. And with a barrel that long, it should be putting rounds on top of each other at 25m rather than holding a 6" group.

Granted, my only experience with Berettas are military issue handguns. But after duty-carrying one for a couple of years, I will never own one.

[Mattman154]

Anyone else think that vert grip looks like a dildo?

Watching too much porn?

It's a new type of rifle stand. A woman gets naked and does a hand stand, then the grip is inserted and BOOM, semi-stable firing platform.

[Switchback]

why...i'm going to be sick. do they make an AEG?

[Haloeclipse]

I like the PX4 and CX4, enjoyed the tomcat and cougar, though I think the tomcat was prone to cracked frames (which may cross into the px4 sub compact). The Neos U22 doesn't have to reliable of a system, but its ok. The Storm series are VERY comfy to use imo.

[Thompson]

I don't understand what you sissys are on about the m9. I keyhole shots with mine. Don't factor your marksmanship issues and squad / platoon/ company level (lack of) maintenance in on the build quality of a firearm. M882 Ball rounds are +p... it has nothing to do with powder. Failure to maintain and using a weapon WAY passed its recommended lifespan are the cause of your opinion... not the weapon itself. Just because you may have carried one that had all the lands and grooves shot out of it or you may have fired one at AIT and scored low does not suggest that its a poorly constructed weapon. Just my educated biased input here. Carried one for 8 years, shot expert every quarter. Own one, shoot it every range visit.

[Steve]

Even with LaserGrips I get groups rather than holes touching at 25 meters. The weapon was properly maintained, and almost brand new. They recoil poorly especially for a weapon that heavy.

By comparison, My USP .45 CT stacks rounds at 25m. My baby glock in 10mm throws a 2" group or so with (raltively) cheap ammo.

Both are stock, no laser grips. I'm pretty sure I'm not a terrible shot, since even with the Beretta I took 5th in the TAG match my first time ever handling a Beretta M9. It's the bang-stick that's at fault here.

Hell, the only reason the Army ended up going with Berettas instead of Glock 17s is that Glock took 6 weeks too long to get their production facility in Smyrna Georgia online. That month and a half wait resulted in an inferior product being issued to troops, and that mistake has yet to be remedied. F*** the M9, right in it's stink tube.

[LiberalPacifist]

He just wants it because its different


Just like 99% of every young arisofter. "Its different and since I'm different and a unique snowflake, I want it!"

I have no problem with people wanting something different, but be imaginative for gods sake. Buying a stock AEG from a well known company is not very creative. Buying a stock AEG from a well known company and MAKING IT YOUR OWN is creative.






Also, dick-grip is awesome.

[Windstalker]

Even with LaserGrips I get groups rather than holes touching at 25 meters. The weapon was properly maintained, and almost brand new. They recoil poorly especially for a weapon that heavy.

By comparison, My USP .45 CT stacks rounds at 25m. My baby glock in 10mm throws a 2" group or so with (raltively) cheap ammo.

Both are stock, no laser grips. I'm pretty sure I'm not a terrible shot, since even with the Beretta I took 5th in the TAG match my first time ever handling a Beretta M9. It's the bang-stick that's at fault here.

Hell, the only reason the Army ended up going with Berettas instead of Glock 17s is that Glock took 6 weeks too long to get their production facility in Smyrna Georgia online. That month and a half wait resulted in an inferior product being issued to troops, and that mistake has yet to be remedied. F*** the M9, right in it's stink tube.

Was the Army also going to originally go with the SIG P226, but selected the M9 because of cost reasons.

Originally the Army was not going to put out a solicitation for a new handgun. But simply was going to convert the 417,448 Colt 45. Pistols they had to 9mm. It ended up being decided by the higher chains of command that a new weapons system would be preferred. There were a total of eight companies that put out a bid on the contract. What happened was Beretta found out what the company representing Sig Arms (SA) was providing for a bid on the original contract and of course being competitive they provided a quote of a $1.00 less per unit manufactured than SA.

So now today we get this so amazing piece of weaponry. Just a tid bit I heard when the navy adopted this weapon and issued the M9 to S.E.A.L's, they had a problem with the slide exploding in the operators face. Some of the operators in the Naval Special Warfare unit where reported to actually been almost decapitated by the malfunction of the weapon.

If I am incorrect about any of this information please be so kind as to correct my ignorance.

[CalvinB]

Was the Army also going to originally go with the SIG P226, but selected the M9 because of cost reasons.

from what I have read, sig was honest about the high per unit costs and long service intervals, where as the M9 has a slightly lower per unit cost but shorter service interval. Making the cost over a given period of time about equal, in response beretta lied about how often they need to go to the armorer, therefore, they appeared cheaper.

from my experience, Italian made Berettas are amazing machines, and American made ones to not be worth their cost, not bad, but way too expensive. Case in point, my 950s, the Italian one is fantastic, the American one is picky about everything, and needs to be cleaned twice as often in order to work. Also my Italian 92 is pretty accurate, palm sized groups are pretty standard, and doesn't have a lot of the issues that were complained about earlier. One thing that you have to remember with the 92 is that it is a blowback action, you have to match the recoil spring to the ammo, soft loads = soft springs, +P and euro loads = heavy springs. If you do that the recoil is softer and it is 100% reliable.

I wish the American ones were better, I think it is just a combination of looser tolerances, and not as quality materials, and has nothing to do with the people making them or where they are made.

[Jose]

Please , NO RACIST POSTS, thanks.