League Membership / Card Voucher System

[Tactical Church]

Well i sure hope the other hosts pick up with this idea as well because so many complications could be fixed with this system. There seems to be so much hype on blocking people which i dont think is the answer but having the start over system of your rank would encourage good sportsmanship and fun in the game

[Nocte]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experiance and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

Not a bad idea. If it's done electronically like Matt suggests, who does the data entry? The event host (this seems to make the most sense)? If so, how does the event host keep track of everyone that shows up? Would the players be responsible for making sure the event host adds their points?

It seems that those not interested in the program or those without AP accounts would not get any points, but that's probably going to be normal.

The only problem I imagine with a system like this is if there starts becoming large benefits for those with points. Then system might have a chance to become exploited and a big hassle of drama, etc.

[Cap n pickles]

we would need photos of said person, so filling out waivers might take longer..

"What is you're AP call sign please?" "Cap n Pickles" "Okay, Can we take you're Picture to put up in our PNW gaming files" "Yes sure" Steps off to the side for said picture.

[El Diablo]

I was wondering when this was going to be moved :P

[Matt]

Matt these are some really great ideas. Id Like to see all the above come into action any time soon.

My question is so.. so fare i am really liking all these great ideas but i dont want them to just be ideas. I want to help them become a reality. How do we do this?

Well, yeah sure why not. Puts me on the hook to finish faster.

Here's the feature list for AP version 5. All of these features are working, I'm just working to finish templates/skins now. We will probably host a closed beta test in the near future for people who want to help and provide feedback.

1. Team registration
2. Roster builders (Add/remove members to your team)
3. Updated classifieds (BBcode, prefixes, requires location filled in)
4. Article system (publish reviews and articles with pictures, HTML)
5. Event RSVP
6. Private events (invite specific user groups)
7. Event categories (OP, skirm, sci-fi, whatever we want)
8. Sub-forums (Off topic, teams, events)
9. Playfield listings (add/update your own field)
10. Friends/foes list (ignore list!)
11. Image uploading (no more photobucket)
12. Return of the Airsoft WIKI (integrated with AP user base)

Now you can see how with a Team Registration and with Private Events one could find a pretty easy way to invite only a specific group of people, if they were to want to host invite-only events.

[El Diablo]

Matt these are some really great ideas. Id Like to see all the above come into action any time soon.

My question is so.. so fare i am really liking all these great ideas but i dont want them to just be ideas. I want to help them become a reality. How do we do this?

Well, yeah sure why not. Puts me on the hook to finish faster.

Here's the feature list for AP version 5. All of these features are working, I'm just working to finish templates/skins now. We will probably host a closed beta test in the near future for people who want to help and provide feedback.

1. Team registration
2. Roster builders (Add/remove members to your team)
3. Updated classifieds (BBcode, prefixes, requires location filled in)
4. Article system (publish reviews and articles with pictures, HTML)
5. Event RSVP
6. Private events (invite specific user groups)
7. Event categories (OP, skirm, sci-fi, whatever we want)
8. Sub-forums (Off topic, teams, events)
9. Playfield listings (add/update your own field)
10. Friends/foes list (ignore list!)
11. Image uploading (no more photobucket)
12. Return of the Airsoft WIKI (integrated with AP user base)

Now you can see how with a Team Registration and with Private Events one could find a pretty easy way to invite only a specific group of people, if they were to want to host invite-only events.

I can not wait for the new version
I'll help and provide feedback if you want.

[Matt]

Not a bad idea. If it's done electronically like Matt suggests, who does the data entry?

Alternately you could just drop the levels all together. You are either IN or OUT. Setup a simple way of applying or becoming part of the group. Set a specific number of incidents to warrant being kicked out. And set a process for being re-admitted for those who want to make amends. The community can police it.

But I think there's benefits to be had from a ranking system, maybe a simple level of merits and demerits would be easier to manage. You do something amazing and great for the community, +1. You act like a jack a$$ and don't call your hits (and it's verified), -1. That way we don't have to be updating an entire list of event attendees every time they attend an event. Event promoters would be the only people with permissions to hand out the merits or demerits. Merits would be provided for those people who volunteer, lead, help resolve a conflict, sit out as an admin for the day, etc. It gives an incentive for somebody to do good. It's like a post-rank that actually means something.

[Falcon7]

It would be easier to just use full names. You check in, the event host adds a tally or 1 or whatever next to your name. You don't even need to have a card. The points could be stored on a file somewhere that the event hosts would all have access to. You could add incentive for people to register in advance for games, too. You register you get an extra point, or if you don't register you get no points, something like that. Also, maybe not ALL points should be taken away for cheating. That way if the person has been playing honorably and actually did not think they were hit or there is some sort of misunderstanding, they just get a few points deducted instead of having to start over. Maybe there could be additional ways to earn points besides showing up to games? And just because somebody shows up to a lot of games doesn't mean they aren't going to cheat.

I like what Matt said. Maybe the ranks should just be for bragging rights. Honest people shouldn't be barred from better games just because they are less experienced.

[Riddick]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experiance and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

Not a bad idea. If it's done electronically like Matt suggests, who does the data entry? The event host (this seems to make the most sense)? If so, how does the event host keep track of everyone that shows up? Would the players be responsible for making sure the event host adds their points?

event host does. I have no problem with that. Maybe have a person just to put in the names at the end. Really it would change slightly the way we do registration. We could add a line for waivers for callsign, serial #, etc.

It seems that those not interested in the program or those without AP accounts would not get any points, but that's probably going to be normal.

Well one thing is that it would provide AP with more registered users. Afterall you would have to be a registered user to get credit. You could have 24 hours to sign up after event to get credit and you have to email the host to have them add it. It would discourage people from not signing up because afterall if you are not accumulating points then you are not getting into the games.

The only problem I imagine with a system like this is if there starts becoming large benefits for those with points. Then system might have a chance to become exploited and a big hassle of drama, etc.

I think we just keep it about getting into events. But we could allow authorized AP training events as credit. This can work if we do it right but again it will take event hosts to pull it off.

[Matt]

I don't know if I would want a system that awards people just for showing up. For all we know they could still be a cheating asshole, they are just good at getting away with it. Say they attend 10 games and never get caught. When they finally do, one negative black mark isn't going to really damage their rep at all.

Plus that eliminates the problem of having to update 200 records after a major game. Instead you have demerits for people who were breaking rules, as reported by your admins... And then merits for players who went above and beyond. Those could be reported by squad leaders, PLs, or COs... Or noticed by the game promoter.

[quigly]

I think there should be a mandatory basic training, that goes over rules of the game and all the safety concerns. Have it every other month or something like that, and make it so they must complete it before they can play in any OP. Then have a small symbol here on AP so it will be quick to see if someone signed up for games hasn't done training. Then they can receive demerits at games for actual cheating or just over all assholery, and after say 3 demerits, they have to go back to training. Have it free for the first training, but charge like $5 for the people which have to take it again.

[Tactical Church]

Matt these are some really great ideas. Id Like to see all the above come into action any time soon.

My question is so.. so fare i am really liking all these great ideas but i dont want them to just be ideas. I want to help them become a reality. How do we do this?

Well, yeah sure why not. Puts me on the hook to finish faster.

Here's the feature list for AP version 5. All of these features are working, I'm just working to finish templates/skins now. We will probably host a closed beta test in the near future for people who want to help and provide feedback.

1. Team registration
2. Roster builders (Add/remove members to your team)
3. Updated classifieds (BBcode, prefixes, requires location filled in)
4. Article system (publish reviews and articles with pictures, HTML)
5. Event RSVP
6. Private events (invite specific user groups)
7. Event categories (OP, skirm, sci-fi, whatever we want)
8. Sub-forums (Off topic, teams, events)
9. Playfield listings (add/update your own field)
10. Friends/foes list (ignore list!)
11. Image uploading (no more photobucket)
12. Return of the Airsoft WIKI (integrated with AP user base)

Now you can see how with a Team Registration and with Private Events one could find a pretty easy way to invite only a specific group of people, if they were to want to host invite-only events.

Btw Matt id be happy to help with the beta test and give you feedback.

Now this might not be the best suggestion and I dont know how it would work out but if this ranking system could be anything like the Modern Warefare 2 set up that would be rad.

Yes this might just be wishful thinking but I love the idea of starting out as a private in our community and rising in the ranks as the years go by with me playing this awsome sport.

[Mini-Marine]

Monthly basic training might not be a realistic option since it does take time and people to run it, I would think quarterly would be a much more plausible goal.

I prefer the idea of meretis/demerits, to just handing out points for attending games.

I do still think there needs to be some sort of point system though for game registration/attendance.

We still have a significant problem of people signing up for games and then not showing up.

Something that could help with THAT issue would be getting a point for ever game you sign up for and attend, and losing 2 if you fail to show without informing the game host that you won't be attending.

If your points go negative, then you can be kicked from a full game if a player with a positive score signs up.

Based on peoples rating, game hosts could see how reliable the players they have signed up are, and make a more accurate estimation of how many to actually expect to show up at the game.

Now back to the player skill ranking idea, ranks based purely on game attendance are about as useful as forum post counts, but obviously those who attend more games in general tend to have more experience.

I know it would add an extra layer of complexity, but the rank by attendance and merit demerit system could be combined.

With a database stored on AP, I would imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to have 3 numbers that rank a player overall, total events attended(experience) games attended per year (activity level) and merits/demerits(standing in community)

[Catch22]

Personally I don't see "voucher" cards working. It's somethin people woud have to stay on top off and continually update as new players come in. It'd be too complex. If you weren't overwhelmed before it even starts. It wouldn't be long till their use just fadded away


The whole problem can be solved by having enough admin. If people know admin will kick them from a game, their presence should be enough. If they get reports of hacking.. warn that person and watch them for a few. If they see it, send that prson to repsawn. If it happens again... ban them till the next round or kick them out of the game

Promoters need to work with their admin aswell. Admin need to learn all the game rules and scenarios. They all need to be in communication with eachother and yeah, if someone gets kicked... Take their picture and ban them from your next event aswell

[Matt]

Yes this might just be wishful thinking but I love the idea of starting out as a private in our community and rising in the ranks as the years go by with me playing this awsome sport.

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. We have people in this community who have earned those ranks in the real world. I would rather avoid using real military ranks, but I think the system could be similar.