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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:27 pm

So I recently bought a used CA M15 RIS. I got it and wanted to swap out some of its parts for some from an older rifle, namely CA steel reinforced gears, a new air nozzle, steel piston, and new piston head, new tappet plate, a 110 spring, and a full brass cylinder, we also switched the gear box from a flimsy sportline box to a thick sturdy full steel gearbox.

I got my girlfriend, who's torn apart and fixed gearboxes before, and her dad who's done it and was also a mechanic for twenty years. We tore it up and replaced the parts and reassembled the weapon. It didn't fire, we could hear the motor trying to work but the gears wont spin. We spent half of christmas eve trying to fix it and all day on christmas trying to trouble shoot it.

Late christmas night we got about three cycles out of it and the piston, the whole piston, locked to the rear with the spring under full tension. We tore it out again and started over, we've been continuing this process ever since. We've assembled everything exactly as it's supposed to be, used several vidoes for reference, shimmed and reshimmed it to exact CA guide standards and still nothing. We've used three different size batteries and still nothing. We've used a stock CA high speed motor, and a EG max hyper 1000 high torque motor and... still nothing. On our last try on a different gearbox the piston locked in the half cock position.

When we pull the trigger the motor attemtpts to turn but the gears dont spin. We've manually turned the gears with a scewdriver and they turn just fine but when we put the motor in the grip and put power to it, it doesn't do a damn thing. We've been at this for three days now, tearing it apart and meticulously rebuilding it.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions other than buy a new gun?

EDIT: I know that this picture does not show a fully assembled gear ox, I'm just using the picture to give you an idea of what I'm working with.

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Postby RiotingCows » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:10 pm

Well i'm no expert and I probably lack skill but since you asked anyone who had advice i'll pitch in a nickel.

1. Have you made sure the motor connections are on the right way? (probably have but worth saying)

2. Have you tried cycling it with the piston and spring out? Just to see if its the gears or what not.

3. I only say this because I did it just last week. Have you made sure the piston lines up with the track on each side. (I rotated the piston 90 degrees and didn't noticed when I buttoned it all up, what I get for doing it at 1 am)

4. Probably not possible but when I was putting my Echo 1 version 2 gearbox back together if the spring on the trigger wasn't in right the trigger pushed back into the gears and prevented them from spinning.

Well thats all I got, hopefully it helps and if not hopefully someone sets me right.
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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:36 pm

I'll try the spring/piston idea but everything else is good to go.
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Postby Riddick » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:54 pm

motor height adjustment?

did you lose your little metal spacer (unless ca does use those anymore)
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Postby Falcon7 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:54 pm

RiotingCows wrote:1. Have you made sure the motor connections are on the right way? (probably have but worth saying)


You should probably check all the other wiring connections, too. Is the motor turning when it is hooked up to the wires but not engaging the gears?
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Postby Pancake » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:07 pm

Check to see if your tappet plate is correctly attached to your Air Nozzle. I had the same problem once, gears would turn, but when I put everything together the motor would just click.
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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:13 pm

@ Riddick: It still has the adjustable screw, if that's what you mean and we've tried it at all spaces. If there was supposed to be a different spacer, I didn't see it in assemble or disassembly.

@ Falcon: The motor spins when it is not inside the grip touching the gears. When we reinstall the motor as it should be and pull the trigger the we can just barely hear the motor at each trigger pull, and you can feel motor trying.

@ Wonderbread: My girlfriend said it was correctly installed but I'll check it again. It's supposed to be flush with the channel on the air nozzle right?
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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:17 pm

UPDATE: I took the spring and piston out and ran it and the gears do in fact spin just fine...

So what does that mean?
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Postby Pancake » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:19 pm

Reyna wrote:@ Riddick: It still has the adjustable screw, if that's what you mean and we've tried it at all spaces. If there was supposed to be a different spacer, I didn't see it in assemble or disassembly.

@ Falcon: The motor spins when it is not inside the grip touching the gears. When we reinstall the motor as it should be and pull the trigger the we can just barely hear the motor at each trigger pull, and you can feel motor trying.

@ Wonderbread: My girlfriend said it was correctly installed but I'll check it again. It's supposed to be flush with the channel on the air nozzle right?


Yeah its supposed to connect to the air nozzle right at its base where the grooves are coming out.

Also, make sure your anti-reversal latch is installed correctly, and that your motor isn't trying to turn the gears the wrong way.

EDIT: Make sure your gears have good contact with each other and the piston.
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Postby Seagreen » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:27 pm

What type of spring-guide are you using. Sometimes the tolerance is off and it will not all the piston to cycle properly.

An image would be great.
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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:45 pm

The air nozzle looks correct to me and my girlfriend (Leea) is confident that it is correct.

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I've been on the fence about the anti reversal latch since we started but Leea said it was correct and of course, the gears only spin one way without colliding with it so I'm sure its correct.

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Seagreen, The spring guide is a metal CA guide.

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We've assembled two different gear boxes so as to compare and contrast and we're having the same problem with both. Leea is convinced that the batteries are just low but I'm not so sure.
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Postby Nocte » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:21 pm

Before you complicate things way too far, make sure the battery is fully charged. It would suck to do all this troubleshooting for a dead battery.
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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:29 pm

Yeah we've got a battery on the charger right now. What makes me skeptical about the battery issue is that we've had fully charged batteries the other two days and still the same results.
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Postby league 4 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:44 pm

Stick a small screwdriver through the nozzle, pushing the piston assembly back when the gearbox is fully assembled to see if the piston isn't getting stuck or anything. Also, the gearbox isn't made of steel... And if you have a full metal piston, it's aluminum, not steel. Just the teeth would be steel. If you don't get it fixed soon you might as well just put the sportline gearbox back in and wait until it breaks.
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Postby Reyna » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:40 pm

Update: I put a freshly charged 1.2v 2000mA PEQ battery on it. The motor whirred and the piston locked to the rear...
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