DMR loadout tips

[ParoJo]

Well maybe i half glossed but i think that most events let DMR's go up to 450-475fps

[Catch22]

Why don't you read the AP rules sometimes. Most games follow them and don't allow DMR's. At this time only a handful of events allow 450+ DMR's.

[KA-BAR]

and this is exactly what i expected to see happen once somone posted some half brained " my games only" rule of Hot DMR's. i knew this was the progression to follow. have fun swimming in this cesspool you have created.

ill start a count on how many threads are started over this issue.

[Matt]

Well, I guess every once in a while I agree with Morgan. Like right now. Once somebody does this, then suddenly everybody starts spreading rumors about how "DMRs can go to 475" or 450 or whatever the limit be. Don't cry to me when I host a game that says AP RULES APPLY and we turn you away at the chronograph.

All that stuff about the role of a DMR is great, but too bad it's not true in Airsoft. The role of a DMR in Airsoft is just some fat a$$ kid who's too lazy to be a real rifleman. He wants to stand behind trees and lob BBs at people all day long rather than get into a real firefight.

WE DON'T PLAY AIRSOFT IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN. We play in OREGON, where we have these things called TREES. Engagement distances are often at 10 feet or less. 400 fps is more than enough velocity or an accurized long barrel semi-auto rifle to reach out and touch someone.

I can't wait for the war to end - so all of you fuckers can stop being so damn ghey with your tan bullshit and your DMRs and your stupid PMC loadouts.

<---- smiles make it better

[Junto]

Engagement distances are often at 10 feet or less.

I'll call bullshit on that. 10ft or less is safety kill range and I, and most people I play with, are lucky to get that close every few games, much less on a regular basis.

"Well Junto, hurr hurr, you guys should be sneakier. Derp."

We're plenty sneaky, doesn't mean people will walk right up to us. The woods are big, the distances we shoot over in the woods are big.

I, for one, really like the 475 DMR rule when its in effect. I've been shot by them and I really couldn't tell you there's much of a difference between that or any other AEG. It does half the job of a good bolt and can give small groups a great advantage when going up against noobs that hide right behind a line of trees just out of AEG range spraying cheap BBs everywhere. Isn't that the point of a real DMR, too? Fuckers harassing you from long range get shot by the person with more range than the rest of you.

That being said, were it up to me I wouldn't let anyone carry a 475 DMR that I didn't know and trust personally. I also wouldn't let younger players do it either. Then again, I don't like it when kids have 550 bolts either.

[ogrejager]

You don't need the extra 50 fps to have a "DMR." Just build an accurate, 400 FPS rifle. The point is accuracy at range. Many of you always say, "It's not about velocity. A 350 fps gun that shoots well is better than a 400 fps gun." I don't know how many times I've heard that. The same argument applies to 400 versus 450.

[Junto]

I have an accurate 400 FPS rifle. It still doesn't shoot like a DMR and it never will, despite the fact that it shoots like a laser and has insanely good compression. You can downplay it all you want, but there is an advantage to a huge barrel with a big spring behind it if it's built well. Sometimes all I need are an extra 10 or 20 feet to my range. That's all a DMR does and it's all they need to do.

[Matt]

I know. 10 feet was just a random number. Maybe more like 20 feet, that better? Anyway I'm just a grumpy old man bitching about "how we played Airsoft back in the day." We played uphill in the snow, both ways. With no boots.

[Junto]

I dunno if 20ft is any better. Most skirms involve people hanging out at the maximum possible range for most AEGs for hours on end. There's a reason I tend to nap at spawn on the Scappoose field, if I don't fall asleep on-line during the game.

[Matt]

And that's exactly what I'm ranting about. "Hanging out at the maximum possible range for most AEGs for hours on end." Boring as hell. DMRs just make that worse.

[Junto]

In practice I've only ever seen them make up for it because they're limited to certain players at certain events. If everyone could have one it would just increase that maximum range.

Which brings me back to the end of my original statement. I wouldn't like them if just anyone could build and field them.

[Switchback]

That being said, were it up to me I wouldn't let anyone carry a 475 DMR that I didn't know and trust personally. I also wouldn't let younger players do it either. Then again, I don't like it when kids have 550 bolts either.

I think that FPS limits are too high on the bolt guns; I'm not a bolt expert but I'm under the impression that you don't need that much power to get a .34 out to a distance.

[Junto]

That being said, were it up to me I wouldn't let anyone carry a 475 DMR that I didn't know and trust personally. I also wouldn't let younger players do it either. Then again, I don't like it when kids have 550 bolts either.

I think that FPS limits are too high on the bolt guns; I'm not a bolt expert but I'm under the impression that you don't need that much power to get a .34 out to a distance.

You're wrong. They're that high for a reason, and a lot of people are using .43s, which need all the help they can get getting out there.

Don't just say random bullshit to make yourself seem like a responsible kid among a horde of irresponsible ones.

[ParoJo]

Why cant we just get along and keep what we post on task and friendly?

[Mtgriz]

@Junto- have you been to Airsoft Mechanics and/or had the chance to read "The Airsoft Trajectory Project"?

There is quite a bit of info that points to proper bb selection and tuning being far more effective at extending range and accuracy than simply extending barrel length and getting a larger spring. Things like cylinder volume matching to barrel volume/length, the prototype "G-hop" and a few other things. Thier quote over there, "The best upgrades in airsoft aren't sold in stores" is really backed up by the things th guys over there are able to do under 400FPS.

@KA-BAR: right on. It seems like these DMR/FPS discussions arise on a regular time table. People don't stop to think that just maybe veteran players have encountered this before and there is a reason that there isn't a DMR specific FPS catergory, nor a 600 FPS crew served MG catergory