Event Registration / Player Accountability

by **Ivan Daylovich™** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:31 pm

I concur. I think a league would work out pretty well.
Some sort of NorthWest Airsoft League.

by **Braddock** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:44 pm

we could call it NWAL for short.....

by **Chesty_01** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:48 pm

Pacman wrote:Wait, don't you mean J69 was a merchant marine?

Sorry to hit your branch with the tires bro...lol Couldnt very well use mine...lol

by **Bircher** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:58 pm

i think if you did age limits you would get in massive trouble because of age discrimination or something

by **Riddick** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:58 pm

The proposal of a league will end up being the same as this discussion. You will have some in favor and some not. The problem is that it will never go anywhere unless someone steps up and just forms one.

Some are complaining of a process that hasnt even been started just an notion or idea of one. Why don't we wait to see the proposal of what I am thinking of doing and go from there. It's easier to be cynical about something I guess than support an idea of something that MAY help in some capacity the problems we are speaking of.

I support that if people are going to sign up +1's then they carry the responsibility for those people. Don't want it, to lazy to educate your friends then dont sign them up and tell them to get an account and sign up themselves.

by **ogrejager** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:59 pm

What's a league get you that ID cards don't? I guess run a league with real ID and a roster? But will J69-Navy show you his real ID while you're hauling his a$$ off the field? Probably not.

I don't think it will come to that, though. I think most cheating players, if you give them a stern talking to and then say, "okay, that's your warning" will a)show you an ID (whether it's state or league) and then b)will straighten the shazaam up. Busting a guy once and showing him that he's on your radar will do amazing things for his sportsmanship.

by **Riddick** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:00 pm

Add Water wrote:i think if you did age limits you would get in massive trouble because of age discrimination or something

nope. if that were the case guns, alcohol and tobacco, car rentals would fall under that.

age discrimenation applies to things like employment, benefits, voting stuff like that.

by **ogrejager** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:04 pm

He just doesn't want excluded because 12 pretending to be 14.

by **Wombat Six** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:07 pm

For those of us who are newbs, what exactly are the benefits of a league, and as Ogre asks, what problem(s) does one solve? I feel like we've had this discussion before (thus Braddock's grin about NWAL) Is it a closed system where new players must go through some sort of indoc before being allowed to participate without close supervision (such as the "task book" process used by certain organizations to certify their personnel for certain positions)? Or is it merely an open system where everyone and their brother can register? Credentialing is not the same as granting permissions.

If it's a closed system where players must demonstrate (not merely prove knowledge) their ability to follow the safety regulations and behave as men before being permitted wide participation, then I think it's an excellent idea. If there were, say, league-only events, then I would be inclined to participate. If it's just another badge I can collect, thanks, got plenty of those.

Where did the NWAL idea end up, anyway?

by **Chesty_01** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:29 pm

ogrejager wrote:What's a league get you that ID cards don't? I guess run a league with real ID and a roster? But will J69-Navy show you his real ID while you're hauling his a$$ off the field? Probably not.

I don't think it will come to that, though. I think most cheating players, if you give them a stern talking to and then say, "okay, that's your warning" will a)show you an ID (whether it's state or league) and then b)will straighten the f**k up. Busting a guy once and showing him that he's on your radar will do amazing things for his sportsmanship.

NO, having a league wont make J69 show his real id, but what it will do is have a file of his face with his State or school issued ID in it and when he shoots you in the face at 3 feet away and you come to me and tell me, I can then take a picture of his face, and match it with the one in the file, and then at the next game when he shows up, I will have his mug in a hopefully small binder and saw, NO dude, you just shot ogre in the face last weekend. Your out.

Plus we could also post his pic on here or the league page or both, and publicly humiliate him to all of his friends, so he wont want to show up. No he will also have the right to appeal the Game admins call at a hearing with board members. He could at that point, tell his side of the story in more detail and have you there to think, oh well maybe I just scared him cause I am so navy seal ninja like. Maybe it was a huge accident. then you say

OK board, I think its time to let J69 back in cause he just made a mistake, and I didn't just get shot in the face 10 min ago and my temper is now cool....You get where I am headed.

Every Action has consequences to it. Just like in the real world. You shoot someone in the face on purpose, it carries a much greater penalty then if you do it on accident....

Unless your tool Chenney of course. Then its just cool all together.

by **Amos** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:31 pm

Braddock wrote:we could call it NWAL for short.....

My thoughts exactly.

by **Darius137** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:06 pm

The goal I'd have for a league would be a group of teams, so that the individual players and people who just show up wouldn't be there, since they are the ones that usually show up without reading rules or don't show up at all.

OR you have groups that never call hits and cheat whenever possible, and a league would be able to find out those groups and ban the whole group outright from league events.

A league of teams is a good idea. A league that reorganizes previous teams and organized groups is a bad idea and would end up scaring off teams afraid of losing their identity and giving leadership to people who haven't already earned it among their peers.

Website · by **Russkie** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:12 pm

Darius137 wrote:A league of teams is a good idea. A league that reorganizes previous teams and organized groups is a bad idea and would end up scaring off teams afraid of losing their identity and giving leadership to people who haven't already earned it among their peers.

Agreed. I personally want to choose who I play alongside with and who commands me and not have it predetermined for me.

by **Bircher** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:19 pm

there will always be that one guy who gets hit and he wants to keep playing so he says he wasnt hit at all.

Coming from the point of veiw of a minor(15years old)

What you should do is with the waiver have there full name and everything about them on that waiver when its signed, and if they get in trouble after reciving one warning, an admin will take them over to the regristration counter, find there waiver and verify via a stamp or something that this person is BANNED from ALL events hosted by people here at AP.

by **ZombieMan** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:29 pm

Darius137 wrote:The goal I'd have for a league would be a group of teams, so that the individual players and people who just show up wouldn't be there, since they are the ones that usually show up without reading rules or don't show up at all.

OR you have groups that never call hits and cheat whenever possible, and a league would be able to find out those groups and ban the whole group outright from league events.

A league of teams is a good idea. A league that reorganizes previous teams and organized groups is a bad idea and would end up scaring off teams afraid of losing their identity and giving leadership to people who haven't already earned it among their peers.

This is what I have been picturing exactly. I would like to change the rivalry to competition and have community in the area. I would like to see something implemented like the SCA "fighter card" and with community reconized teams I could easily see that happen.

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