kwa myth

[BlacksunshineGAAS]

KWA mag problems have nothing on King Arms M4's. King Arms frequently don't even work with the mags shipped in the box.

My Gen1 KWA M16 is very picky about mags. My SR10 and SR12 have worked with any mag I've tried.

Mine fit every mag I have. As well as the one that came with it. Even the stupid box mag that doesn't fit right in any of my other M4's has no problem with my KA.
None of these mags with with my pals KWA.

Don't get me wrong. I think KWA's perform very well. I just don't care for how picky they are simply because in the middle of a firefight I want to know if my teammate runs out of ammo the mag I toss him is going to work.

I'm also a tad disappoint with my KMP9 and the fact that they made it to shoot too hot for the intended environment that it will be used in most. CQB. And then they go and release a replacement bolt that allows you to drop the FPS for an extra 50 bucks on top of the 300 you already spent on the gun itself. When I called them out on this they came back with the More FPS = better argument. Apparently they took a poll of people that know little to nothing about making a quality gun and decided "the people" wanted more FPS. But that's just a personal specific gripe.

[league 4]

My friends SR10 didn't fit my G&P or S arms mags... And his A&K midcaps barely worked. Sort of. He ended up trading it (happily) for a CA M16.

[wurger]

My friends SR10 didn't fit my G&P or S arms mags... And his A&K midcaps barely worked. Sort of. He ended up trading it (happily) for a CA M16.

Funny. MY SR10 and SR12 work great with both G&P and S-Arms mags. And Echo 1. And Magpul E-mags (both Magpul and Star Green's - tight fit, but they work). And MAG 100's/120's.

The only KWA owner I actually know (not a friend's friend's cousin's brother's teammate) who has had real problems with their KWA has tried "upgrading" the gun.

I have 3 KWA AEG's and 11 KWA GBB's. I have never had a significant problem with any of them. I also don't f**k around with them. Shoot them, clean them, done.

And just so I don't get branded as a KWA fanboy, my primary game gun is a CA 2009 PMC-X. It out ranges everything that I own except my Echo 1 RPK.

[CommieHunter]

Wow, lotta hate for KWA.

Nasty, KWA certainly didn't start the 'high fps = better' advertising. (although they did start the 'lipo ready' question). The majority of airsoft buyers are uneducated, and the majority think that higher FPS = better. KWA makes their rifles at 400FPS, and their SR7, SR5, and CQB all come at 350FPS, so they're not hyping FPS in every gun.

In the MP9, they made the gun as efficient as possible. This means that in some weather, it will shoot hot. We've had them as low as 350 and as high as 380 or 390. Additionally, a lot of people use them outdoors. They didn't make them perfectly for you and your ideals, but they're phenomenally engineered, and they're very popular.

Blacksunshine, your experience with the King Arms is similar to other people's experience with the KWA. Yours works great, other people have had bad results. While you dislike KWA because you've seen bad ones, you like King arms because you own a good one.

This is the #1 problem with most of the advice in here. It's based on small samples, personal experiences, and hearsay. Having seen a huge sample size and seen multiple generations of product, I can confidently say that current KWA's have fewer issues with more brands of magazines than current King Arms AEGs. In addition, a properly performing KWA will outshoot most other brands (though the margin isn't huge). My view isn't primarily based on what people have said, but what I've seen in observing hundreds of these guns.


As a side note, ALL M4s have mag issues. The difference is, KWA's will simply fail to work with mags that are not sized right, while other brands have more subtle issues with air seal and velocity. I've seen CA's lose 50 fps with one brand of magazine, and gain it right back with another. I've seen King Arms that should shoot 390 shoot 250 out of the box with the included magazine.

[Saviour]

Kwa's have made a name for themselves as far as performance goes. I worked in an airsoft retail store (pretty much the biggest and most known one out there) and found a lot of people that bough the newer kwa rifles would come back cuz their new outter barrel wouldnt fit the rifle, or the gas block was too big, mag mags wouldnt fit, a number of other mags wouldnt fit, and typically many of the parts internally had to be KWA. Unless you were an internal wizard or was ok with messing up a few times on modifications and ending up spending what you would have spent on a kwa part. im not sure about now, but its probably the same. On the other hand KWA pistols rock above all

[Mongrol]

cuz their new outter barrel wouldnt fit the rifle,

Are you saying people have had problems fitting new outer barrels into the 2G kwa's? I put a ris on mine and was going to put a 7' madbull outer barrel on it (its the full size M4A1 so i want a smaller barrel)

[Minerva]

All gearbox's need shims! If a shim can be .01-05 in diameter not even the most accurate QC can't account for that

[Saviour]

you have to make sure its the right one. many of the kwa's (maybe not yours) had problems fitting outer barrels on to the upper receivers. just see if you can try it before you buy it, even though alot of places wont let you do that

[OPFOR 503]

I say go for it. My KWA had some issues, but nothing that a few minutes of tinkering couldn't resolve.

I think the key really is good maintenance of your AEG. I own two KWAs, one is a year old and that one on occasion will malfunction, but I found out it's prior owner never once tried any maintenance on it and just kinda let it get out of shape. My new one works like a charm and it's been through some abuse.

The mag issue is for real though, just make sure whatever you buy is compatible.

[BlacksunshineGAAS]

Wow, lotta hate for KWA.

Nasty, KWA certainly didn't start the 'high fps = better' advertising. (although they did start the 'lipo ready' question). The majority of airsoft buyers are uneducated, and the majority think that higher FPS = better. KWA makes their rifles at 400FPS, and their SR7, SR5, and CQB all come at 350FPS, so they're not hyping FPS in every gun.

In the MP9, they made the gun as efficient as possible. This means that in some weather, it will shoot hot. We've had them as low as 350 and as high as 380 or 390. Additionally, a lot of people use them outdoors. They didn't make them perfectly for you and your ideals, but they're phenomenally engineered, and they're very popular.

Actually in a conversation I had directly with them they did in fact state that the people wanted higher FPS because it was "better".

They are a great gun I never stated anything to the contrary. I just find it somewhat ridiculous that they sell a CQB style gun that is too hot for the intended environment. And then sell an option for an additional 50 bucks to have it shoot appropriate fps for that environment. Had they actually thought it out well, they would have simply made both versions available without the markup and having to disassemble the gun.

[CommieHunter]

All gearbox's need shims! If a shim can be .01-05 in diameter not even the most accurate QC can't account for that

Actually, yes, it can. I've worked in cleanroom fabrication, and I've taken apart and tested KWA gearboxes, and they don't need shims when using KWA gears. Also, most shims are .1mm to .5mm, which is 10x larger than you mentioned.

I talked with KWA today about the MP9 velocity. Believe it or not, the MP9s are not 'designed for CQB'. They are small guns, but they get used everywhere. With the MP7, KWA originally released it at about 350. They got lots of feedback that customers wanted it to shoot harder for use outdoors. With the MP9, it was easier to make it shoot 370-390 and give you the option for a low power bolt than to ship them at 350 and upgrade it later.

[pseudoanimosity]

Actually in a conversation I had directly with them they did in fact state that the people wanted higher FPS because it was "better".

They are a great gun I never stated anything to the contrary. I just find it somewhat ridiculous that they sell a CQB style gun that is too hot for the intended environment. And then sell an option for an additional 50 bucks to have it shoot appropriate fps for that environment. Had they actually thought it out well, they would have simply made both versions available without the markup and having to disassemble the gun.

That's good marketing. Shit like that pays for the R&D that brings you new guns, and updated versions of products. KWA hypes their guns with slogans like "Lipo Ready" and "Professional Training Pistol" to make their guns seem godly to all the kids, so their parents will spend a boatload of money on them for a new pistol/rifle/SMG.

tl;dr KWA is good at marketing, and business. Don't fault them for that

[Minerva]

All gearbox's need shims! If a shim can be .01-05 in diameter not even the most accurate QC can't account for that

Actually, yes, it can. I've worked in cleanroom fabrication, and I've taken apart and tested KWA gearboxes, and they don't need shims when using KWA gears. Also, most shims are .1mm to .5mm, which is 10x larger than you mentioned.

Excuse the 0 My mistake

That is in the US however.. Not in some factory in Taiwan where everyone hates their jobs..

[ogrejager]

That is in the US however.. Not in some factory in Taiwan where everyone hates their jobs..

Do they hate their jobs? Or do we, as decadent, self-entitled Americans think they should hate their jobs? It's equally possible that they're happy to have a job, isn't it?

Bottomline--you got set straight about the shims in KWA's. Quit trying to defend your position.

[Jewish Ninja]

Wow, lotta hate for KWA.

Nasty, KWA certainly didn't start the 'high fps = better' advertising. (although they did start the 'lipo ready' question). The majority of airsoft buyers are uneducated, and the majority think that higher FPS = better. KWA makes their rifles at 400FPS, and their SR7, SR5, and CQB all come at 350FPS, so they're not hyping FPS in every gun.

In the MP9, they made the gun as efficient as possible. This means that in some weather, it will shoot hot. We've had them as low as 350 and as high as 380 or 390. Additionally, a lot of people use them outdoors. They didn't make them perfectly for you and your ideals, but they're phenomenally engineered, and they're very popular.

Actually in a conversation I had directly with them they did in fact state that the people wanted higher FPS because it was "better".

They are a great gun I never stated anything to the contrary. I just find it somewhat ridiculous that they sell a CQB style gun that is too hot for the intended environment. And then sell an option for an additional 50 bucks to have it shoot appropriate fps for that environment. Had they actually thought it out well, they would have simply made both versions available without the markup and having to disassemble the gun.

Not every place uses the same CQC velocity limits as we do in the PACNW. Some indoor places allow 350 as their standard.

AP limits /= USA limits