G36E support gunner?

[Steve]

According to your logic, the G36 with C-Mag that der Germans have IN REAL LIFE is nul and void...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G36_CMag.jpg
Note the NOTE.

No shit, right? The community decided a good while back that only things that were support weapons in the real world could run box mags.

I didn't decide. It's not something I pulled out of my a**. The whole "box mags for support weapons ONLY" bit that gets posted on most events? It's because people didn't want folks putting drum mags on their MP-5s, or AKs, or M-4s. The community, and the majority of the event hosts, decided.

Did I run drums on AKs overseas? Yep. Do I have a Beta mag sitting, loaded, next to my AR in the gun safe? Yep. Is this real-steel? Nope. It's airsoft. The community decided drums only live on support weapons, not on assault rifles.

If drums only live on support weapons, then they only live on support weapons. A G-36 is not a support weapon. The derivative MG-36 was designed as a support weapon. So, want your G-36 to fill a support role? Convert it to be a MG-36. The differences between a MG-36 and a G-36 are greater than "hey! I moved the drum from the machine gun to the rifle. Hurp-durp. Now it's a support weapon!". Do the conversion, or GTFO.

A G-36 + box mag =/=a MG-36. Full stop, end of story.

Since a G-36 is not a support weapon, it doesn't get drum mags.

Edit: Convert an airsoft Beta-C mag to have the same round count as the real one it's copying, call it a real cap, and I'll absolutely support you in running it on whatever platform you want (assuming there is a Beta-C mag for that platform. No, P-90 STANAG conversions don't count. Not only is it the wrong mag, feeding the wrong way, but it's a different freaking caliber.)

[dos_Santos]

My point is, G36's in general had original intentional design to have an MG/support function variant, whereas an M4 was never intentionally designed that way, even though you can find aftermarket mags, like the MWG 90-Rounder or Armatac SAW-MAG, that would provide some measure of successful suppressive fire (not sure it could handle the sustained fire like a 249 can). I am sure people have done it, and even Colt had the CAR and CMG.

I would never put a beta-c mag on my Classic Army G36C and call it a support weapon, because it doesn't mimic the real thing. But if I had a "K" or an "E", I would use it and it would be approved in most events, because guess what, they have existed in the real world, whether in MG form (discontinued) or K form (German SF issued). The RPK is almost in the same boat as a G36. The M4 is not; doesn't even come close to be able to be modified into an M249 (which ironically enough is being replaced by the M27 (HK416 variant)) or other SAW function weapon.

In the end, I would tell the OP, go ahead and do it, whether people's opinion of it is hate or like. I can understand and fully support banning box-mags on M4's, but a G36K (or E) with a bi-pod and beta-c mag is a different story. Whether an even host will allow it...??

[Jester316]

And the airsoft community said it's okay to to add a beta-c mag to your G36 (non C) to emulate a MG-36. Why, because there actually was an MG36, even though it is not offered anymore. Most events allow an MG-36-whatever, but NEVER allow box mags on an M4 or drums on AK's. Look past events up...

In the past, to use a G36 as an MG36, it had to be converted to look as such. The only person I've actually seen do it was The Duke...

[Snowman]

drummagsissuedlololol

Also, Steve, the P90 fires a 5.56 caliber bullet, just in a shorter cartridge. FN just called it "5.7" to make it sound cooler.

[Steve]

drummagsissuedlololol

Also, Steve, the P90 fires a 5.56 caliber bullet, just in a shorter cartridge. FN just called it "5.7" to make it sound cooler.

Okay. So, for comparison, I've physically handled a PS-90 and an AR, on the range, at the same time. I've even tried loading 5.7 into a STANAG mag just to see if it would stay in the mag. It doesn't. It falls the f*** out of the mag. The round diameter is different enough that the feed lips don't engage the round, and they just pop out. It's pretty funny, really. Also, the round length is different. 5.56 simply will not chamber in a P-90 without a radical redesign of the feed system. Like, the chamber would have to be lengthened, the extraction system redesigned, the bolt and recoil system redesigned and recalibrated, and you'd have to find some way to actually get the round up and around the 180-degree bend from the side of the platform to the chamber. By the time you got it working, you'd have a 5.56 caliber P-90, or you'd have a mangled STANAG mag design jimmyrigged with some sort of weird feed escalator thingie that ran on external power.

Oh, wait. FN already did the redesign work for you, and didn't have to leave the mag hanging out into space. It's called a FN 2000. But I digress...

And the airsoft community said it's okay to to add a beta-c mag to your G36 (non C) to emulate a MG-36. Why, because there actually was an MG36, even though it is not offered anymore. Most events allow an MG-36-whatever, but NEVER allow box mags on an M4 or drums on AK's. Look past events up...

A G-36 is not a MG-36.

You can convert a G-36 into a MG-36.

But until you do the conversion, it's not a MG-36.

I don't know how else to explain it to you in words small enough for you to understand.

* Edited to remove gratuitous asshattery. *

[Snowman]

You said bullet sizing, not casing or brass sizing.

I'm well aware that the 5.7x28 cannot physically work in an 5.56x45 AR style gun. I'm not an idiot.

[Jester316]

You said bullet sizing, not casing or brass sizing.

I'm well aware that the 5.7x28 cannot physically work in an 5.56x45 AR style gun. I'm not an idiot.

Your smartass is showing...


Also the bullet diameter of the 5.7 round is 5.7mm (.224). Not sure how your math makes 5.56mm= 5.70mm (and remember this is a game of thousandths, so no rounding).

[Snowman]

Sorry, didn't intend to sound like that...

I talked with an FN rep a long long time ago about reloading for the PS90 or FiveseveN, he said the 5.7x28mm uses a 5.56 caliber bullet. They literally just changed the name of the cartridge to make it sound new and appealing (even though it has equivalent ballistics to a .22 magnum...). Similar to .38s and .357 magnums. Same bullet size, different cartridge dimensions, and sounded cooler than ".38 mangum".

[Jester316]

Hmmmmm, more digging shows that the 5.56mm bullet really is 5.7mm in diameter... Weird...

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Our BB is actually a FF.

[dos_Santos]

A G-36 is not a MG-36.

You can convert a G-36 into a MG-36.

But until you do the conversion, it's not a MG-36.

I don't know how else to explain it to you in words small enough for you to understand.

Just use a smaller font...anyway, I am saying the same thing, but in regards to airsoft. You can convert it. They are so closely related, it's ridiculous. No machining necessary. End of story. I don't know how else to explain it to you in words large enough for you to understand. I give up...

[dos_Santos]

Here is the core rule set for OLCMSS events, one of the premier national airsoft event series in the nation, and on heaven and earth, till the end of time and eternity:

4.4.2 Guns that are faithful recreations of belt-fed firearms qualify as SAWs. This includes (but is not limited to) the M60, M249, MG42, RPD, Shrike, M240B and similar models. NO MP5's, M-16s, or non SAW weapons.
4.4.3 The approved non-belt-fed SAW list is as follows: RPK, MG36, L86A2. Again, these guns must be faithful recreations of actual guns.
4.4.4 To be a faithful recreation a SAW must be as cosmetically similar as possible to the original gun. Game staff reserve the right to determine what is cosmetically similar. Players with custom guns should direct their questions to the events public forum and must receive approval from Game staff two weeks prior to the event.

Pay attention to RULE 4.4.4. I believe this is what the OP would be striving for. To be cosmetically similar...

Now it's time to stop hating.

[Cloudyrains]

After having the fiberglass stock fall apart on my Classic Army SL8 I decided to turn it into a MG36. I plan on taking my friend's JG G36K and adding the SL8's barrel/bipod to it, plus the gearbox. I no longer have the SL8's scope/carry handle due to getting it in a trade, instead, I am just going to use the JG's receiver. Besides the flash hider which I haven't the cash to buy nor skills to make, what would help it qualify more as a MG36?

[Steve]

Thank you for posting that. It's apparently a better way of saying exactly what I have been saying. G-36's aren't "SAWs". MG-36s are "SAWs". G-36's that have been cosmetically modified to look like MG-36's (barrel, stock, etc.) are treated as MG-36's.

Now that we are, once again, all on the same page, we can table the discussion for another few months until the next time it comes up. And it will, it always does.

[Ash]

All real gun info aside, Most game hosts wont mind if you use a G 36 as a MG36 as long as you take the time to convert it as best as you can. I know Duc and i spent time and money on ours to make them different than a stock G36. No one ever gave me or him, as far as i know, crap at games about it. 

So short answer, ask the game host before you show up with it.  


Edit. Looks like I was slow to draw, sorry for the repeat of info.