To fast FPS?

[Icepick]

Go sit in a corner and shut up.

I said that the fps limits ARE NOW being raised to 420.

Not that THEY HAVE BEEN raised to 420. Those rules are obviously a bit old, although I can't deny that those are the current rules. I never said that the rules HAVE BEEN changed though, only that event hosters ARE changing them.

ALSO OP: Just put a new spring in it, be sure to choose the right spring depending on the compression of your rifle though. (A spring rated for 300fps can get you up to 345fps.)

[league 4]

Depends on the event and the event staff. If they say 400fps, I'd aim for 390 to make sure. If they say 420, I'd say 400 just to make sure.

You don't need super high fps to shoot people. Keep it low, get closer to the enemy, and save your gearbox.

How can I lower my FPS?

Leave your spring compressed for a little bit.

I did this with my old Mp5 and it decreased by 1fps. 2 weeks stored with the piston fully back. It may work, it may not. The only surefire way to decrease FPS is to put a new spring in it.

That is not the only way.

OP, KWA M4s often break in the springs after a little while, just use it a bunch until it settles down, it shouldn't take that long.

[Jester316]

Go sit in a corner and shut up.

I said that the fps limits ARE NOW being raised to 420.

Not that THEY HAVE BEEN raised to 420. Those rules are obviously a bit old, although I can't deny that those are the current rules. I never said that the rules have been changed though, only that event hosters ARE changing them.

I'm an event host, and I'm not changing. Ergo, your blanket statement is wrong. FPS rules are an event host choice. There can be as much talk as you want, but it comes down to what the host wants to do. Saying "Standard AP Limits Apply" means 400/330/550. Stop giving false information. If he shows up to a game with a gun shooting 418, chances are he won't get to use it. Games with different FPS are more of the exception then the rule.

[Icepick]

I'm not giving false information, if he shows up to an event hosted by the two examples I gave, he can use his rifle shooting 418fps. Yes it may have been a blanket statement and I will admit to that... But at the same time the two largest and well known event hosts, who are putting on events the most frequently, who are now raising the limit is kind of pushing it, you know? I see an exception as something small, not something as big as this.

You're a pretty fun guy to debate with!

[Darius137]

Actually, the insurance companies state 400 as an absolute limit, so really, it's up to them to strongly influence the hosts' choice.

[McNair]

... But at the same time the two largest and well known event hosts, who are putting on events the most frequently, who are now raising the limit is kind of pushing it, you know?

I don't think they're raising it.
As has been said many times. It's been an unwritten thing. I know this from personally chrono-ing guns at major events for the past 12 years and being told that there is that buffer, it has been left unsaid so people don't try to upgrade their guns to stretch that buffer.
I've known members of teams that have been around for a long time that have always had guns over 400FPS and a few that were even pushing 420+.

[Matt]

Your gun will naturally lose velocity as well from regular wear and tear.

[Sir Stubby Eyre]

I am with Jester on this one, at Camp R&R we are leaving it at 400 FPS. Insurance dictates this.

Iceprick, you can not say that we event hosts are raising the limits when we are only discussing it. There has been no answer yet, it is still being debated. Even if it is raised to 420 on AP and the kid leaves his gun alone when he plays at Jesters or my games his gun will not be allowed.

[LiquidSnak]

Why the hell did you this turn into an FPS limit debate, IcePrick?

Limit is 400, there is a buffer due to chrono tolerances and other factors, but don't push it. The best way to see what a new gun really shoots is to shoot it a bunch, as suggested until the components settle into a consistent pattern, which can be as much as 15-20 FPS. If you are still over, give the spring compression method a try, which is cycling your gun until before it fires, and leaving it be for a while.

That may or may not work, it depends on the spring and how much it's compressed, but it is also a danger to your components, if you have a defective piece of your gearbox puzzle. The most effective way is to get a spring that will be a lower FPS, and change it, or have someone else change it if you don't know what you're doing.

[God]

Depends on the event and the event staff. If they say 400fps, I'd aim for 390 to make sure. If they say 420, I'd say 400 just to make sure.

You don't need super high fps to shoot people. Keep it low, get closer to the enemy, and save your gearbox.

How can I lower my FPS?

Leave your spring compressed for a little bit.

I did this with my old Mp5 and it decreased by 1fps. 2 weeks stored with the piston fully back. It may work, it may not. The only surefire way to decrease FPS is to put a new spring in it.

So if a new kid with say, one of those new A&K SR25 rifles shooting ~430-450, you're going to turn him away simply because he either didn't know how or couldn't afford to have his gearbox spring changed? I know at least a couple guys who have guns that are shooting hot (upper 420-430s) due to previous owner upgrades or just a over-zealous ACM companies that have no gearbox experience and very limited income.

P.S. The SR25 was only an example, I don't know their exact FPS out of the box.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Yes.

[Icepick]

Yes.

[ogrejager]

To the OP--in my experience, KWA springs lose about 20 FPS in the first couple of months. You'll be fine.

Iceprick, go away.

[pappyjump]

Depends on the event and the event staff. If they say 400fps, I'd aim for 390 to make sure. If they say 420, I'd say 400 just to make sure.

You don't need super high fps to shoot people. Keep it low, get closer to the enemy, and save your gearbox.

How can I lower my FPS?

Leave your spring compressed for a little bit.

I did this with my old Mp5 and it decreased by 1fps. 2 weeks stored with the piston fully back. It may work, it may not. The only surefire way to decrease FPS is to put a new spring in it.

So if a new kid with say, one of those new A&K SR25 rifles shooting ~430-450, you're going to turn him away simply because he either didn't know how or couldn't afford to have his gearbox spring changed? I know at least a couple guys who have guns that are shooting hot (upper 420-430s) due to previous owner upgrades or just a over-zealous ACM companies that have no gearbox experience and very limited income.

P.S. The SR25 was only an example, I don't know their exact FPS out of the box.

Uhh...yes Ninja, they will turn him away. When it says FPS LIMIT on the game page, its not a F***ing suggestion

[Jester316]

Depends on the event and the event staff. If they say 400fps, I'd aim for 390 to make sure. If they say 420, I'd say 400 just to make sure.

You don't need super high fps to shoot people. Keep it low, get closer to the enemy, and save your gearbox.

How can I lower my FPS?

Leave your spring compressed for a little bit.

I did this with my old Mp5 and it decreased by 1fps. 2 weeks stored with the piston fully back. It may work, it may not. The only surefire way to decrease FPS is to put a new spring in it.

So if a new kid with say, one of those new A&K SR25 rifles shooting ~430-450, you're going to turn him away simply because he either didn't know how or couldn't afford to have his gearbox spring changed? I know at least a couple guys who have guns that are shooting hot (upper 420-430s) due to previous owner upgrades or just a over-zealous ACM companies that have no gearbox experience and very limited income.

P.S. The SR25 was only an example, I don't know their exact FPS out of the box.

Yes. I usually have some wiggle room, but never that much. I post games far enough out that a player can take care of the things they need to to attend.