NJ S810

[DJ]

This is from our "friends" in New Jersey. The only state in the union where I cannot carry a firearm as a retired LEO. NJ has the most restrictive firearms laws of any state , so I am not surprised to see something like this.

[Steve]

I'm really in favor of this.

As to the whole "non-violent felons" argument, I submit that people who choose not to live within the rules of a society should not expect to reap the benefits offered to those who comply with laws.

If someone has the poor judgement to commit a non-violent felony, why would anyone believe that they will use better judgement regarding employment of an airsoft gun? Airsoft is an activity that revolves around honorable conduct. If someone cannot be trusted to conduct themselves honorably in society at large, they cannot be trusted to conduct themselves honorably in regards to airsoft.

Most of the "problems" media-wise have been caused by exactly the groups that will be excluded from purchasing an airsoft gun under this legislation, specifically children and criminals.

The issue of criminalizing the removal of the orange tip is valid. Brightly colored muzzle devices should not be required on regulated airsoft guns. Additionally, I am concerned about the designation of "firearm", specifically as this raises questions of permitting requirements / tax stamps. Also, does this reclassification extend to ammunition? Considering all 6mm bearings as "airsoft ammunition" could cause some unintended problems down the road as metal bearing components could then be considered firearm ammunition. From firsthand experience, Ace Hardware sold 6mm steel ball bearings in their parts department.

All in all, the legislation is less than ideal, but it should accomplish the goal of reducing the number of AEGs ending up in the hands of children and criminals.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Seriously, Andy Kaufman level trolling. You are a god.

[Zack]

This is... I don't even... what?

The thing is, legislation restricting the sale or owner ship of items if just downright useless. Case in point: live firearms. Felons still have them. Underage persons still have them. People who don't have registered weapons still have weapons, just not registered.

What this WOULD accomplish is wasting a considerable amount of money in enforcement, prosecution, and detention, as well as diverting LE attention from something important, such as people actually harming other people.

This whole concept has clearly not been thought through, as the implications very broad sweeping. Need of FFL, CHL, Class 3, etc.

Perhaps instead of "some people don't know how to be safe with airsoft replicas, we'll regulate them for everyone!", a more prudent line of thinking would be "some people don't know how to be safe with airsoft replicas, we should start holding them accountable for their actions!".

I would say perhaps some laws holding someone responsible for any damages and injuries they cause, and well as protections for the self defense actions of persons who are threatened by someone with a replica, except such already exist in most places.

When you think "there should be a law!" pause for a second, and look it up. There probably is one already.

Creating additional legislation rarely does anything useful. More often new laws serve only to remove personal responsibility, and person freedoms with it, and almost always are a waste of taxpayers money.

[Matt]

Regardless of the regulations in place, you can compare them to firearms but the US will never outright BAN all firearms. It's unconstitutional. But they could outright ban Airsoft guns, those "toys" kids keep getting almost shot over. The level of regulation should not be too strict, but things cannot continue going the way they are - or it will be illegal for everyone to own an Airsoft gun - not just minors or criminals. A correct classification actually secures our hobby as legitimate and gives us a right to own airsoft guns and keep doing what we are doing.

[pathfinder]

knew this was coming. saw it a mile off. tried to warn you, but i got shot down as a alarmist troll.

the following year you are having a rational discussion about it?

reminds me of the convo i started when i said the army was switching to multicam in early 2008 and everyone called me a liar... now the army wears what?


i predict the same thing will happen with this issue.

[McNair]

You're right Morgan. You're all seeing. Now go back under your bridge.

[pathfinder]

LOL....isnt this AP 5.0 ? where is the like button?

[Icepick]

LOL....isnt this AP 5.0 ? where is the like button?

Pretty sure nothing has changed... So no, it isn't AP 5.0!

When is that coming out Matt? Sometime tomorrow right? (I hope!)

[Osprey]

I was just on WiKipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft The country's I found interesting are Finland, France, Greece, Israel, Italy, and Spain(there are more just to many to name).

Its looks like these country(Plus the ones that are similar but not named) got there airsoft issue under control. Most don't classify them as "firearms" at all, but under there own category. Also if you go to the U.S section is kinda interesting what is said.

[DJ]

I would invite all of you to think of this from the Gun Control crowd perspective. If Airsoft guns can be lumped with real firearms, it will bring the actions of a much larger and younger crowd into the realm of what the Gun Controllers want. Far more examples of poor judgement for them to use to ban guns......For your consideration.

[Junto]

It's a grab bag of things I do and don't like. I like requiring that people be 18 to purchase simply from a liability standpoint. Like real firearms, it wouldn't ban their use by minors, just the purchase. It could stop a whole line of stupid children getting shot and brandishing. Then again, they rate and restrict movies and video games and know-nothing parents still let stupid children have those as well.

Overall, I don't think legislation is the next step for regulating airsoft. Not enough has been done to teach and enforce safety.

[MarksInnerDemon]

Regulating something due to stupidity is the most assanine and backwards logic you can bring to this debate.

1. BB guns have been in the hands of children far younger then most of the kids playing airsoft PERIOD. The negelect of parents and the use of Box Nannies to educate children instead of hands on adults is the issue. Refereing by legislation regulation a childs behavior is stupid.

Some of you who I wont point out have zero comprehension of the control of stupid laws. I am in Kuwait. It is illegal to WEAR yes I said it WEAR camoflauge. You are allowed 1 article of clothing if not you can get fined and if you are fully decked out you go to priosn. They did this to stop islamo faschist terrorist cells. Kuwait doesn't have a issue with it but similar laws are in other countries that are full of terrorists.

2. I don't care what you think a airsoft gun is toy and has will always be a toy. Granted it is a toy for adults, (see the guy in sweeden who went to jail for having a baseball bat in his car) and responsable children. Frankly the purchase restrictions I get, but I can get shot at full auto run up covering my eyes and beat you with your toy. Like the orange tip no one pays attention to the laws are rediculious.

If you don't want to play with children make a freaking adult league flat and simple. I am tired of the gun community and half the military poo pooing airsoft for the same reason some of you are bickering over children playing, and what "regulations" you think are rational which if you think about it really arent. It is like SOFA and PIPA ending issues with pirateing.... fat chance.

[DJ]

Welcome to the socialist nanny state where its easier to try to blame someone else rather than accept responsibility for you own actions.

[MarksInnerDemon]

Welcome to the socialist nanny state where its easier to try to blame someone else rather than accept responsibility for you own actions.

or your childs... or the responsibility for your child....